General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry

Presidente Alcazar wrote in message . ..

Hasn't he become a caricature of himself these days? I always think
of him delivering Mr Burn's address to the electorate on the
Springfield hustings:

"And the bureaucrats in the state capital/perfumed princes in the
Pentagon can stick that in their pipe and smoke it!"

"Isn't it ironic Smithers. This anonymous clan of slack-jawed
troglodytes cost me the election. And if I were to have them killed, I
would be the one to go to jail. Thats democracy for you!"

Chris Manteuffel

Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: 362436 (Ron)
Date: 2/3/04 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

Looks like I might just end up flying a DC-4 on fires this summer...

Hey be careful. That can be dangerous.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
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Subject: General Patton on Lieutenant Kerry
From: 362436 (Ron)
Date: 2/3/04 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time

Looks like I might just end up flying a DC-4 on fires this summer...

Hey be careful. That can be dangerous.



I certainly will. No fire is worth dying for.



Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote
"Mike Marron" wrote

Haven't flown fighters like Ed but I have flown single pilot IFR
under Part 135 like you and no offense, but that DC-4 position
sounds like just another uneviable, low-pay, low-prestige yet
high-risk flying job. No thanks.

On top of that, very little is done to tame the fires. In most cases
the fires just keep burning until the weather changes. Water and
Retardant bombers are like ****ing on a house fire.


Haven't been around many wildland fires, have you?

Summer of 71, Missoula fire, worked three months on the line before
the weather changed, and the fire went out on it's own. We ran eight
fire lines, and it hopped over all of them. I lost 20 pounds. Charlie
Prescott drowned in the river. He always said he'd never let the fire
get him, and compared to all the molten Bears and Deer we found,
he looked a little bleached, but not BBQ'd. Best damned aerobic
program there is, and like most aerobic programs, it is all non-
productive.

On 04 Feb 2004 02:00:52 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

From: Ed Rasimus

People often ask, why I didn't go with the airlines and my answer is
always the same, "would you ask Mario Andretti why he didn't start
driving for Greyhound when he retired from racing?"

But Ed, just think of the fun you could occassionally have had flying a
tactical profile with a fully loaded 747 as a way of brightening the day. Just
think of the screaming passengers as the noisemaker on your old 105.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Got a ride of a lifetime in a VC-9 while at Hq USAFE running
exercises. Took a site survey team of twenty guys to Ovar Portugal to
look at the base for an F-111 deployment. On departure the F-111 guys
wanted to get some airfield photos, problem was a 500 foot ceiling in
light rain.

Sitting in the big leather first class arm-chair after takeoff with
the steward handing me my first scotch on the rocks, we took off (the
base is right on the Atlantic Coast) stayed low over the water, bent
around and return to overfly the base. Did three circuits, all below
the 500 foot ceiling. Thought he was going to put the wingtip in the
water, but that guy could sure make that ol' heavy dance.

The only part attractive about the 747 run came up when I was asking
ex-F-105 type Cal Tax, now Delta Captain what he grosses. The answer
was about $375K per year, but he does some extra on-call flying for
time-and-a half so it goes up nearer to $450K. I could do that, yes I
could! Nahh, too old now.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed Rasimus wrote:

[snipped for brevity]

The only part attractive about the 747 run came up when I was asking
ex-F-105 type Cal Tax, now Delta Captain what he grosses. The answer
was about $375K per year, but he does some extra on-call flying for
time-and-a half so it goes up nearer to $450K. I could do that, yes I
could! Nahh, too old now.

You're never too old to fly. Later today at 4:00 pm (Eastern)
WSTP Channel 10 News here locally will be featuring Yours Truly
taking up one of their reporters on their "Wild Side" special in my
awesome flying machine. For those who are interested and
depending on when they get around to uploading the video,
you should be able to watch it he

http://www.tampabays10.com/wildside/index.aspx

Haven't been around many wildland fires, have you?

Summer of 71, Missoula fire, worked three months on the line before
the weather changed, and the fire went out on it's own. We ran eight
fire lines, and it hopped over all of them. I lost 20 pounds. Charlie
Prescott drowned in the river. He always said he'd never let the fire
get him, and compared to all the molten Bears and Deer we found,
he looked a little bleached, but not BBQ'd. Best damned aerobic
program there is, and like most aerobic programs, it is all non-
productive.

And I worked on the ground in Missoula on a fire august of last year. I
actually would sometimes come across old lines that had been dug on previous
fires on the mountain. It is one hell of a work out, especially if you are
digging line all day, or carrying rolls of fire hose up and down mountains.

It was fun, but I sure look forward more to being back in the air on fires this
summer, hope I get this DC-4 job.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

From: Mike Marron


Ed Rasimus wrote:

[snipped for brevity]

The only part attractive about the 747 run came up when I was asking
ex-F-105 type Cal Tax, now Delta Captain what he grosses. The answer
was about $375K per year, but he does some extra on-call flying for
time-and-a half so it goes up nearer to $450K. I could do that, yes I
could! Nahh, too old now.

You're never too old to fly.

Airline pilots are grounded by law when they turn 60.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

The only part attractive about the 747 run came up when I was asking
ex-F-105 type Cal Tax, now Delta Captain what he grosses. The answer
was about $375K per year, but he does some extra on-call flying for
time-and-a half so it goes up nearer to $450K. I could do that, yes I
could! Nahh, too old now.

You're never too old to fly.

Airline pilots are grounded by law when they turn 60.

They can still be FE's though, although that option is going away, as the 727s,
DC-10s, and earlier model 747s are retired.

A few years ago, American Airlines had a 78 year old FE.


Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

(Ron) wrote:
(B2431) wrote:

Airline pilots are grounded by law when they turn 60.

They can still be FE's though, although that option is going away, as the 727s,
DC-10s, and earlier model 747s are retired.

A few years ago, American Airlines had a 78 year old FE.

Also, the" Age 60" rule doesn't apply to all Part 135 airline pilots.