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Strictly speaking, it wasn't: that honour goes to the Vickers
Nene Viking. Comet I was, however, the first into commercial
service (the Nene Viking being more in the nature of a trial run).


Did the Nene Viking ever carry a passenger? As I recall, the Viking
served
as a Nene engine testbed only and reverted to piston engines after it had
served that purpose. That doesn't sound like a jet airliner to me.

1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.

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1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.


The Nene Viking was not a jet transport. It was a propeller transport that
served briefly as a jet engine testbed. It never served as an airliner.

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1948 -Vickers Nene Viking (World's first pure jet transport) made first
flight in April, followed in July by prototype Viscount 630 (world's
first
turboprop airliner). It carried pasengers, but nmot fare paying.


The Nene Viking was not a jet transport.

It was.

It was a propeller transport that
served briefly as a jet engine testbed.

No. It was plane with jet engines and seats for people inside.

It never served as an airliner.

It did. It never took paying passengers.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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It was.


The Nene Viking was an engine test bed.



No. It was plane with jet engines and seats for people inside.


Airplanes without seats are called UAVs.



It did. It never took paying passengers.


That's how you can tell it was not an airliner. Airliners carry paying
passengers.

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It was.

The Nene Viking was an engine test bed.

No. It was plane with jet engines and seats for people inside.

Airplanes without seats are called UAVs.

It did. It never took paying passengers.

That's how you can tell it was not an airliner. Airliners carry paying
passengers.

It was a people carrying jet. Is that better for you. Do you now
understand.

"Spiv" wrote in message
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It was a people carrying jet.


So was the Meteor.



Is that better for you. Do you now understand.


I'm trying to help you understand.

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It was a people carrying jet.

So was the Meteor.

That was man o war only carrying people who flew it.

Is that better for you. Do you now understand.

I'm trying to help you understand.

Please don't help me. I can't think down to that level of yours.

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It was a people carrying jet.

So was the Meteor.

While even appearing to align myself with the egregious and
unnecessary spiv on any topic whatsoever is a truely repellant
concept, the Nene Viking did represent a significant step towards the
passenger-carrying jet in a way that the Meat-Box didn't (as the first
jet-to-see-production to fly[1], the Meteor has enough significance to
keep it going).
The Nene Viking was certainly the first mating of an airliner
fuselage to jet power and the first jet to be capable of
employment as an airliner (engine and type certification aside).
None of this was true of earlier designs, unless you were going
to adopt the approach to passenger-carrying of the BOAC Mosquitoes.
Unlike any earlier jet, the Nene Viking was capable of airline
service (given engine and type certification - the latter
never being sought for the good reason that it wouldn't
have made a half-good airliner), albeit hopelessly uneconomically
(which was why it was never developed as an airliner).
To be sure, the mating of jets and an airliner fuselage (as opposed
to mating jets to a bomber, which was common with testbeds) was
going to happen soon, but the Nene Viking was the first example
and deserves a certain amount of credit as such.

[1] and, with one example still in regular use (with Martin-Baker
Ltd, but carrying an RAF serial), the jet with the longest service
history.

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Andy Breen ~ Speaking for myself, not the University of Wales
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