Question on ditching an Orion

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On 29/10/10 00:05, Tankfixer wrote:
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In , Dave Kearton
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IMHO Lt Osborn made all the right decisions under very trying
circumstances. He kept the plane aloft, long enough for all the
sensitive gear to be destroyed, he KEPT HIS CREW ALIVE and what was
left of the plane was flown back to the US after the Chinese were done
with it.

If you think worst-case, ditching or baling out offers the Chinese a
nasty option. "We picked up nine of the crew, here they are. Mission
Supervisor Snuffy, who knows all about what the aircraft can do and what
its mission was? No, haven't found a trace of him, but we're still
searching..." And who's to know different? Once the crew lose sight of
each other, there's no way to know whether Supervisor Snuffy died during
the bailout, drowned in the ocean, is on a slow fishing boat with no
comms on his way to port, or is being forcibly persuaded to be detailed
and explicit about EP-3 capabilities in a Beijing basement.

Once the hard discs, memory cards, crypto modules, whatever have been
dealt with, the EP-3 is an elderly turboprop with a lot of radio
receivers feeding to dead systems. Not a lot of genuine intel value
the it's an ELINT platform, gee whiz, who knew?

The crew are the real prize which could compromise the capability:
keeping them together, alive, and getting them all home protects the
most important asset.

Who cares what the Chinese would see on the plane, they would get that
hardware via other means anyway.

A cynical part of me wonders how much of the hardware is "Made in China"
anyway. Radio receivers aren't exactly new or secret, it's what they
feed, what you can achieve with them and what you were sent to get that
matter.

I always wondered why once they had landed and all that a rather nasty
fire didn't break out onboard...

I read somewhere that the Chinese were unable to gain access for almost
an hour after the aircraft landed.

That's what I understand..
Seems like plenty of time to do some mischief...


Oner is forced to assume that everything too big to dump out of the
aircraft was comprehensibly smashed before they opened the doors...

On Oct 29, 6:20*pm, Tankfixer wrote:
In article ,
says...





On 29/10/10 00:05, Tankfixer wrote:
In ,
says...

In , Dave Kearton
*writes
IMHO Lt Osborn made all the right decisions under very trying
circumstances. He kept the plane aloft, long enough for all the
sensitive gear to be destroyed, he KEPT HIS CREW ALIVE and what was
left of the plane was flown back to the US after the Chinese were done
with it.

If you think worst-case, ditching or baling out offers the Chinese a
nasty option. "We picked up nine of the crew, here they are. Mission
Supervisor Snuffy, who knows all about what the aircraft can do and what
its mission was? No, haven't found a trace of him, but we're still
searching..." And who's to know different? Once the crew lose sight of
each other, there's no way to know whether Supervisor Snuffy died during
the bailout, drowned in the ocean, is on a slow fishing boat with no
comms on his way to port, or is being forcibly persuaded to be detailed
and explicit about EP-3 capabilities in a Beijing basement.

Once the hard discs, memory cards, crypto modules, whatever have been
dealt with, the EP-3 is an elderly turboprop with a lot of radio
receivers feeding to dead systems. Not a lot of genuine intel value
the it's an ELINT platform, gee whiz, who knew?

The crew are the real prize which could compromise the capability:
keeping them together, alive, and getting them all home protects the
most important asset.

Who cares what the Chinese would see on the plane, they would get that
hardware via other means anyway.

A cynical part of me wonders how much of the hardware is "Made in China"
anyway. Radio receivers aren't exactly new or secret, it's what they
feed, what you can achieve with them and what you were sent to get that
matter.

I always wondered why once they had landed and all that a rather nasty
fire didn't break out onboard...

I read somewhere that the Chinese were unable to gain access for almost
an hour after the aircraft landed.

That's what I understand..
Seems like plenty of time to do some mischief...



Oner is forced to assume that everything too big to dump out of the
aircraft was comprehensibly smashed before they opened the doors...

Remember the history books where Japanese were having burn parties in
the back yard before Pearl? Of course part of the problem is learning
how to burn huge amounts of crap (where the lesson is, don't keep a
lot of crap in the safe). You end up with the huge pile of paper
smothers stuff on bottom and does not burn.

Or you have poor procedures to destruct like Iran embassy did when it
was overrun, Iranian rug merchants put the shredding back into
documents and they were published.

"frank" wrote in message...
- Tankfixer wrote:
Oner is forced to assume that everything too big to dump out of the
aircraft was comprehensibly smashed before they opened the doors...
-Remember the history books where Japanese were having burn parties in
-the back yard before Pearl? Of course part of the problem is learning
-how to burn huge amounts of crap (where the lesson is, don't keep a
-lot of crap in the safe). You end up with the huge pile of paper
-smothers stuff on bottom and does not burn.
-
-Or you have poor procedures to destruct like Iran embassy
-did when it was overrun, Iranian rug merchants put the shredding
-back into documents and they were published.

Yes, sad. The new rulers found that many of the
generals had been willing to talk to the Americans.
Of the 80 Iranian top generals, later, more than 70
were tortured and executed.
Certainly not a good thing to have others read the
records kept in the embassy.