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Old November 18th 10, 03:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
DaleKramer
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From my crystal ball.

A picture says a thousand words:

http://www.bmapper.com/VIRA.jpg

Dale Kramer
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Old November 18th 10, 03:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Nov 17, 7:08*pm, DaleKramer wrote:
From my crystal ball.

A picture says a thousand words:

http://www.bmapper.com/VIRA.jpg

Dale Kramer
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Dale

I am not sure why you seem pessimistic that contest pilots won't rent
PowerFLARM if available--especially to help make up their own minds
how well this technology works and whether they should purchase a unit
(should be pretty convincing).

I would hope that especially with rental units available then
preserving one's own ass, and if that fails then peer pressure, would
achieve a very high adoption rate. And even if that does not work then
trying that route before approaching this as something that needs to
be mandated seems to make a lot of sense. The contest community will
have vast amounts of experience with this by next year and able to
have a much more informed discussion--which might well change things.
And if things need a push or an experiment makes sense then the option
is still open to make a contest Flarm mandatory.

Darryl

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Old November 18th 10, 03:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
DaleKramer
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Choice 1: Rental FLARMs left on the ground while we have FLARMless
gliders in the air = ??% FLARM usage in contests
Choice 2: Require FLARM usage if they are available = 100% FLARM usage
in contests

Choice 1 was chosen by the Rules Committee.

I will not take that chance so I will not participate, this has been a
very steadfast position I have taken all along.

This leaves a situation where I can only hope that I am wrong while
the RC can only hope that they are right.

Dale

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Old November 18th 10, 04:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Tim Taylor
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On Nov 17, 8:50*pm, DaleKramer wrote:
Choice 1: Rental FLARMs left on the ground while we have FLARMless
gliders in the air = ??% FLARM usage in contests
Choice 2: Require FLARM usage if they are available = 100% FLARM usage
in contests

Choice 1 was chosen by the Rules Committee.

I will not take that chance so I will not participate, this has been a
very steadfast position I have taken all along.

This leaves a situation where I can only hope that I am wrong while
the RC can only hope that they are right.

Dale


Dale,

Not sure why you are so upset. You were asking the rules committee to
require the use of vapor-ware without any trial period. If the
SuperFLARM units arrive in time for the next contest season and they
work properly I would guess we will see them required in 2012. It is
a stretch to require something that is continually pushed back on
delivery dates and has not been tested yet.

I would guess that if we have a rental set in the country we will see
them used during the 2011 contest season. I look forward to using it
in the future.
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Old November 18th 10, 04:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
DaleKramer
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Tim

We can argue all day about how vapor-ware they really are but that
does not matter.

When they come, they will work or the plan was that they would not
have been offered for rent.

There was no reason NOT to have the rule in place prior to that time.

Dale
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Old November 18th 10, 12:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Nov 17, 11:14*pm, DaleKramer wrote:

There was no reason NOT to have the rule in place prior to that time.

Dale


Other than the fact that you cannot herd cats.

I'm okay with the RC position. Clearly, so are others.

The rental idea and the support you've gotten for it is brilliant. I
could be wrong on this, but I don't think the support was exclusively
based on MIRA. Before you go scorched earth, I hope you give someone
else the opportunity to take over the project.

-Evan Ludeman / T8
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Old November 18th 10, 01:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
DaleKramer
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Evan,

Because I have acted on this report so quickly, there is nothing on
the earth to scorch. I would never do that anyway.

I have done the honorable thing and withdrawn when I feel that I can
no longer support the direction that this has taken.

I have been completely up front and open about my intentions and
everything that has happened.

The only thing withheld has been the specific terms of the tentative
agreement with FLARM Technology at their request.

Everything relevant to the program has been published and the next
volunteer can easily proceed.

I wish everyone the best but I choose not to participate.

Dale


 




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