Real Pilots

"george" wrote

They'll come back when the spammers move on

Nope. When volume starts to build, MX will come back, and people will
start responding, and then other cross posted crap will appear, and people
will respond to them, and then people will get frustrated and blast the
posts and the replies, and then everyone will go away again. Sound
familiar? It should.

History. It repeats.

Until everyone that is a serious poster quits answering OT and obnoxious
posters and posts, it will continue being dead. It seems as though many
have the need to stroke their own egos by responding to everyone, thus
proving their superior intelligence.
--
Jim in NC

I pop in here about once a month, and am dismayed to see what has
happened to this once-beloved group. It just continues to spin and
devolve.

However, I can say that about almost every aspect of general aviation
nowadays, so IMHO rec.aviation is simply reflecting what's happening
throughout the aviation world.

a) Fewer pilots = fewer A&Ps, fewer FBOs, fewer airports, fewer rental
planes, and fewer rec.aviation users.

add this to...

b) A general decline in civility throughout society

....and you've got...this. It's sad, but everywhere.

WRT to Usenet itself, the migration to web-based groups (Pilots of
America; AOPA's board, etc.) proved less than satisfactory, thanks to
well-meaning but overbearing, over-aggressive moderators who have the
habit of shutting down a conversation right when it's about to get
interesting. The end result is a plain-vanilla, cordial-yet-boring re-
hashing of the same ten topics, over and over. After the first few
months, it became a good cure for insomnia.

So....GA is splintered into smaller and smaller groups, and those few
of us who are left have fewer ways to voice our thoughts and
opinions. Our grandkids will one day marvel at the fact that "grandpa
and grandma used to fly their own plane!" I am sorry to see this
happen, beyond words.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993



On Jan 16, 5:29*pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"george" wrote

They'll come back when the spammers move on

*Nope. *When volume starts to build, MX will come back, and people will
start responding, and then other cross posted crap will appear, and people
will respond to them, and then people will get frustrated and blast the
posts and the replies, and then everyone will go away again. *Sound
familiar? *It should.

History. *It repeats.

Until everyone that is a serious poster quits answering OT and obnoxious
posters and posts, it will continue being dead. *It seems as though many
have the need to stroke their own egos by responding to everyone, thus
proving their superior intelligence.
--
Jim in NC

WRT to Usenet itself, the migration to web-based groups (Pilots of
America; AOPA's board, etc.) proved less than satisfactory, thanks to
well-meaning but overbearing, over-aggressive moderators who have the
habit of shutting down a conversation right when it's about to get
interesting. The end result is a plain-vanilla, cordial-yet-boring re-
hashing of the same ten topics, over and over. After the first few
months, it became a good cure for insomnia.

I told you so.

Our grandkids will one day marvel at the fact that "grandpa
and grandma used to fly their own plane!" I am sorry to see this
happen, beyond words.

I fear this future as well.

As it is, there are many people today who don't seem to realize that one can
legally fly one's own airplane.

On Jan 25, 6:05*am, - wrote:

So....GA is splintered into smaller and smaller groups, and those few
of us who are left have fewer ways to voice our thoughts and
opinions. *Our grandkids will one day marvel at the fact that "grandpa
and grandma used to fly their own plane!" *I am sorry to see this
happen, beyond words.

C'mon Jim. be positive. It's going to get better.
My grandmother used to talk about Old Mother Shipton who used to tell
about a future in which men would fly.
So when I started flying all that old English legend came true for
her.
And there's only room for two up the sharp end nowadays.
Its getting more select by the year

"george" wrote

C'mon Jim. be positive. It's going to get better.

I hope, but I won't hold my breath.

Perhaps the best thing to happen is to have almost 0 posts per day for a few
months. Then, if we start coming back, perhaps everyone else will have
forgotten about this place. Then, people need to respond only to real
posts, and shun the irrelevant and obnoxious.

No, there I go dreaming, again.
--
Jim in NC

On Jan 25, 1:02*am, "Morgans" wrote:
"george" wrote



C'mon Jim. be positive. It's going to get better.

I hope, but I won't hold my breath.

Perhaps the best thing to happen is to have almost 0 posts per day for a few
months. *Then, if we start coming back, perhaps everyone else will have
forgotten about this place. *Then, people need to respond only to real
posts, and shun the irrelevant and obnoxious.

No, there I go dreaming, again.
--
Jim in NC

The days of hanger flying here are most likely past, and has been
noted elsewhere there is very limited useful controlled cyberspace in
these newsgroups. When Jay ran a virtual hanger some time ago most
posters knew each other and that led to a mutual respect and civility.
Because social-skills deficient writers use these groups anonymously
the kinds of crap that overwhelms RAP will continue: it's become their
forum. They've succeeded. Or did they? Their audience has become
pretty small.

Maybe they haven't played this so well after all.

See you in a couple of weeks.

Maybe.

The nature and openness of usenet is the best and worst thing about it.
Iit truly is one of the last true uncontrolled areas of cyberspace.

For those who like to Fly IFR or Airways and contolled VFR with flight
following in your internet experiences. Usenet will never be your cup of
tea. I like the Chaos and the sheer breadth of potential people the Old
school text groups can draw.

I'm a new pilot but I've been to and from Usenet for 15 years I come
prepared with a private reader and good kill filters. There are some
wonderful people and content and some intelligent filtering cleans it right
up. the group does seem quiet, i only see two threads running right now but
when i first logged on i saw one screamer in need of filtering now it seems
calm here.



That having been said Hi I'm Brent I'm new to the group and a new Private
pilot and New owner of a NON new plane.




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On Jan 25, 1:02 am, "Morgans" wrote:
"george" wrote



C'mon Jim. be positive. It's going to get better.

I hope, but I won't hold my breath.

Perhaps the best thing to happen is to have almost 0 posts per day for a
few
months. Then, if we start coming back, perhaps everyone else will have
forgotten about this place. Then, people need to respond only to real
posts, and shun the irrelevant and obnoxious.

No, there I go dreaming, again.
--
Jim in NC

The days of hanger flying here are most likely past, and has been
noted elsewhere there is very limited useful controlled cyberspace in
these newsgroups. When Jay ran a virtual hanger some time ago most
posters knew each other and that led to a mutual respect and civility.
Because social-skills deficient writers use these groups anonymously
the kinds of crap that overwhelms RAP will continue: it's become their
forum. They've succeeded. Or did they? Their audience has become
pretty small.

Maybe they haven't played this so well after all.

See you in a couple of weeks.

Maybe.

On Jan 28, 3:15*pm, "Brent" wrote:

I'm a new pilot but I've been to and from Usenet for 15 years I come
prepared with a private reader and good kill filters. *There are some
wonderful people and content and some intelligent filtering cleans it right
up. *the group does seem quiet, i only see two threads running right now but
when i first logged on i saw one screamer in need of filtering now it seems
calm here.

Welcome to the group Brent.
It livens up every so often and some of us are and were pilots.

- writes:

The end result is a plain-vanilla, cordial-yet-boring re-
hashing of the same ten topics, over and over. After the first few
months, it became a good cure for insomnia.

Isn't this true of GA in general? With the exception of Experimental
aircraft. For certified GA aicraft it's the same old stuff. In the
flying mags, the same articles: engine heat and deicing in the
winter. Thunderstorm avoidance and high density altitude flying in
summer. Test flight of some multi-million dollar twin turbine no hobby
flyer would ever consider.

I find the builders' world the most interesting. Not EAA, because that
includes too many observers, antique stuff, frivilous side shows. No,
people who are creating new airplanes, trying new gadgets, that's where
the excitement still is.

A friend said GA is like an onion. On the outside you have people who
drive by the small airport and wonder what millionaires fly those
things. Then you have the people who have taken a few lessons and
dropped out. Then the pilots who fly rented spam-cans. Then the airplane
owners. Then the kit-builders. Then the plans builders. Deeper to the
core is the action.

--
While the word is yet unspoken, you are master of it; when once it is
spoken, it is master of you.
~ Arab proverb

You make several good points. I agree 100%, although the whole pie --
not just some parts of it -- is shrinking.

That's sad. I see so many multi-million dollar boats down here in
Texas, I know it's not a shortage of rich people. It's...something
else. I wish I could identify it, and fix it.
--
Jay Honeck
Port Aransas, TX
Pathfinder N56993
www.HarborInnPortA.com

On Jan 25, 11:36*am, Bug Dout wrote:
- writes:
The end result is a plain-vanilla, cordial-yet-boring re-
hashing of the same ten topics, over and over. *After the first few
months, it became a good cure for insomnia.

Isn't this true of GA in general? With the exception of Experimental
aircraft. For certified GA aicraft it's the same old stuff. In the
flying mags, the same articles: engine heat and deicing in the
winter. Thunderstorm avoidance and high density altitude flying in
summer. Test flight of some multi-million dollar twin turbine no hobby
flyer would ever consider.

I find the builders' world the most interesting. Not EAA, because that
includes too many observers, antique stuff, frivilous side shows. No,
people who are creating new airplanes, trying new gadgets, that's where
the excitement still is.

A friend said GA is like an onion. On the outside you have people who
drive by the small airport and wonder what millionaires fly those
things. Then you have the people who have taken a few lessons and
dropped out. Then the pilots who fly rented spam-cans. Then the airplane
owners. Then the kit-builders. Then the plans builders. *Deeper to the
core is the action.

--
While the word is yet unspoken, you are master of it; when once it is
spoken, it is master of you.
*~ Arab proverb