ASW20 or LS6

"The std class version is the Pegasus, built in France."

That's not really true Eric. While the Pegasus fuselage is descended
from the ASW-20, the wing is very different. Different planform and
airfoil. In fact, there has only ever been one true standard class
ASW-20, and that is the ship that I own. It's the ASW-24 prototype,
SN24000. It was built from ASW-20B molds, but was modified to be a
pure standard class ship. I don't have the use of flaps, but I have a
very interesting dual aileron setup. The inboard ailerons end about
1.5 meters from the wing root, and they throw differently than the
outboard. It's a lovely machine with a very fast roll rate. Next type
you voyage to Ephrata you'll have to look me up and I can show it to
you. As for it's performance, it will eat a Pegasus for lunch.

Back to the topic. I've not flown the LS-6, but I do know they are
world renowned for their handling and in my opinion it was the best of
the 80's 15m ships. You won't be dissapointed with either one from a
performance standpoint. I'd agree with the advice given so far. Find a
version of each that you can sit in. This should have more influence
than the other factors. You need to fit! Minor comfort issues can be
addressed with trial and error and pillows and cushions. If you fit
comfortably in both, pick the one with the best instruments and
trailer. I'm 6'3 and fit wonderfully in the 20. There is something
real nice about having a little extra shoulder room!

-Kevin

On Jan 31, 1:28*am, KevinFinke wrote:
"The std class version is the Pegasus, built in France."

That's not really true Eric. While the Pegasus fuselage is descended
from the ASW-20, the wing is very different. Different planform and
airfoil. *In fact, there has only ever been one true standard class
ASW-20, and that is the ship that I own. It's the ASW-24 prototype,
SN24000. It was built from ASW-20B molds, but was modified to be a
pure standard class ship. I don't have the use of flaps, but I have a
very interesting dual aileron setup. The inboard ailerons end about
1.5 meters from the wing root, and they throw differently than the
outboard. It's a lovely machine with a very fast roll rate. Next type
you voyage to Ephrata you'll have to look me up and I can show it to
you. As for it's performance, it will eat a Pegasus for lunch.

Back to the topic. I've not flown the LS-6, but I do know they are
world renowned for their handling and in my opinion it was the best of
the 80's 15m ships. You won't be dissapointed with either one from a
performance standpoint. I'd agree with the advice given so far. Find a
version of each that you can sit in. This should have more influence
than the other factors. You need to fit! Minor comfort issues can be
addressed with trial and error and pillows and cushions. If you fit
comfortably in both, pick the one with the best instruments and
trailer. I'm 6'3 and fit wonderfully in the 20. There is something
real nice about having a little extra shoulder room!

-Kevin

Thanks for all the information, it has been a great help. I do plan to
sit in both before I make a decision

I did not mention that the ASW20 is the "B" model and has had the
wings refinished about 8 years ago. They only re-gelcoated the top
side and not the bottom side. the bottom side does have some gelcoat
cracking. I have not seen it yet to determine the condition of the
cracks. I do know that winglets were custom added at the same time
that the wings were refinished by the same company that did the
refinishing. From my conversations with the current owner of the LS6
the wings have been entirely regel coated a few years back (not sure
how long ago) but he does say that the gelcoat is in excellent
condition. Also it is the LS6A model. Both gliders have Cobra trailers
that appear to be in excellant condition

On Jan 30, 11:28*pm, KevinFinke wrote:
*In fact, there has only ever been one true standard class
ASW-20, and that is the ship that I own. It's the ASW-24 prototype,
SN24000. It was built from ASW-20B molds, but was modified to be a
pure standard class ship.

That glider was based at El Tiro, AZ, for a while. When the owner
told me it was an ASW-24 I wondered what he had been smoking until he
told be the history.

Andy

On 1/30/2011 10:28 PM, KevinFinke wrote:
"The std class version is the Pegasus, built in France."

That's not really true Eric. While the Pegasus fuselage is descended
from the ASW-20, the wing is very different. Different planform and
airfoil. In fact, there has only ever been one true standard class
ASW-20, and that is the ship that I own. It's the ASW-24 prototype,
SN24000. It was built from ASW-20B molds, but was modified to be a
pure standard class ship. I don't have the use of flaps, but I have a
very interesting dual aileron setup. The inboard ailerons end about
1.5 meters from the wing root, and they throw differently than the
outboard. It's a lovely machine with a very fast roll rate. Next type
you voyage to Ephrata you'll have to look me up and I can show it to
you. As for it's performance, it will eat a Pegasus for lunch.

You are correct, the Pegasus is not an ASW 20 with the flaps glued to
the wing. It does have the same wing area, bendiness, and the same
planform (at least, it appears to be the same), so I'd call it at least
a very close relative of the ASW 20. The one I flew felt just like my
ASW 20.

On the other hand, the ASW 19 and ASW 20 are very different gliders, and
it is a mistake to use the 19 as a stand-in for the handling of the ASW 20.

I'd love to look at SN2400 - that's new to me!

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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:14:56 -0800, Eric Greenwell wrote:

On the other hand, the ASW 19 and ASW 20 are very different gliders, and
it is a mistake to use the 19 as a stand-in for the handling of the ASW
20.

However, if you're thinking of buying a 19, 20 or Pegase and want to try
the cockpit for size before making the trip to see the glider, its worth
remembering that all three cockpits are near as dammit identical.


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