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Old February 27th 11, 06:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default Private Aviation kills French Government

Greg Faris wrote:
Facts are against you, Jim. It’s all about the plane.
Nobody’s talking about political or financial favors, dinners and
parties, contracts and influence, gowns and robes, pools and jewels,
artwork and real estate. It’s all about the plane. Nothing but the
plane, symbol of evil and corruption.


So if she had gotten a ride on, oh gee, maybe a yacht, there would be no
controversy? We wouldn't read the following anywhere?:

"Sarkozy himself came under fire after his election in 2007 for taking a
post-campaign getaway on a yacht belonging to French magnate Vincent
Bollore."

She says so herself (in the link
you didn’t read) "I will never board a private plane again". The plane
brought her up and the plane brought her down. Many more will follow,
with "private plane" becoming a popular search string for discrediting
unworthy public and private servants.


Um, if you say so. Think it would help any if we went on the political
attack by altering some old slogans, say:

"I Will Give Up My C-172 When They Peel My Cold Dead Fingers From Around
The Controls."

"If small planes are outlawed, only outlaws will have small planes."

"Cessna 152s and Pipers, Too"

"Airplanes We Can Believe In"

"Pilots of the world, unite!"

"Fliegen Macht Frei"

"Every Man a Pilot"

;-)
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Old February 27th 11, 12:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Greg Faris[_2_]
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Default Private Aviation kills French Government

In article ,
says...

Um, if you say so. Think it would help any if we went on the political
attack by altering some old slogans, say:

"I Will Give Up My C-172 When They Peel My Cold Dead Fingers From Around
The Controls."

"If small planes are outlawed, only outlaws will have small planes."

"Cessna 152s and Pipers, Too"

"Airplanes We Can Believe In"

"Pilots of the world, unite!"

"Fliegen Macht Frei"

"Every Man a Pilot"

;-)




I like"Fliegen Macht Frei" but that brings us back to Zyklon B!

Honestly, I feel small, private planes are not targeted by this whole
thing, but I would not want to be CEO of Gulfstream right now, even though
they are predicting a bright future in the immediate and short-term.
Things could always turn around, but with so much focus on wealth
disparities, the private jet is just an easy target.

Though those of us with smaller planes may not be intentionally targeted,
neglect and incomprehension mean we will be hit more by environmental,
insurance and just "plane old" spiraling costs. Skymaster owners today are
looking at a new AD requiring a $60k "inspection" of the wing root. That
is equal to current resale value for many of these planes. Cessna says
this is just a start, and the directive will spread to other models
progressively. We could expect to see the cantilever-winged Centurions
next up. If NextGen regs add $60K worth of CPDLC datalink to the $60k
inspection costs, a lot of the older, high-performance planes we use for
business travel today could be squeezed out. Cessna may be pleased to
close down their strongest competitor, which is their own older fleet, but
if we whittle it down to newer Skyhawks and LSA’s, these do not fill the
bill for travel, and all are overpriced for the markets they target.

When I tell people I like to travel, insofar as possible, by private
plane, I usually get a long stare of incredulity as they try to process
that incongruous piece of data. It’s somewhere between "Are you rich?" and
"Are you out of your mind?" I do manage to elicit a glimmer of envy when
I say I can fly wherever I want without having to take my shoes off, no
TSA agents barking at me, throw whatever I want into the plane and not
have to wait for baggage claim at the other end, and soar over clogged
roads thinking of people slugging it out with the road-ragers beneath, but
this quickly reverts to questions of reason and responsibility, "Are you
sure that’s safe?" and "What about the environment?". Fortunately, most in
the non-flying public have no idea that piston airplanes still use leaded
gasoline, else the pressure would be even stronger to close smaller
airports to build wood pellet factories, because wood smoke is good for
the environment.


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Old March 1st 11, 06:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default Private Aviation kills French Government

Greg Faris wrote:
Honestly, I feel small, private planes are not targeted by this whole
thing, but I would not want to be CEO of Gulfstream right now, even
though they are predicting a bright future in the immediate and
short-term. Things could always turn around, but with so much focus on
wealth disparities, the private jet is just an easy target.


Can't disagree with that sentiment at all.

Though those of us with smaller planes may not be intentionally
targeted, neglect and incomprehension mean we will be hit more by
environmental, insurance and just "plane old" spiraling costs.


No argument.

When I tell people I like to travel, insofar as possible, by private
plane, I usually get a long stare of incredulity as they try to
process that incongruous piece of data. It’s somewhere between "Are
you rich?" and "Are you out of your mind?"


I haven't run into that as such, but have run into mild variants.

I have a sister-in-law who seems to have a mild fear of flying. She'll fly,
but would rather avoid it. But - she met my brother while they were both in
the navy. He had a PPL and took her up on one flight in a small plane while
they were stationed in Spain. That was the first and last small plane
flight she took with him. They ended up married anyway. :-)

Even odder, her mother learned to fly on her own in the 1930s and later
became a member of the Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASP). I jokingly
asked her once whether she was really her mother's daughter. She was proud,
though, to go to Washington D.C. in March of 2010 to witness a belated
recognition (her mother deceased) of the WASPs service to their country.

I do manage to elicit a
glimmer of envy when I say I can fly wherever I want without having to
take my shoes off, no TSA agents barking at me, throw whatever I want
into the plane and not have to wait for baggage claim at the other
end, and soar over clogged roads thinking of people slugging it out
with the road-ragers beneath, but this quickly reverts to questions of
reason and responsibility, "Are you sure that’s safe?" and "What about
the environment?". Fortunately, most in the non-flying public have no
idea that piston airplanes still use leaded gasoline, else the
pressure would be even stronger to close smaller airports to build
wood pellet factories, because wood smoke is good for the environment.


Seems many people who I've talked to in the past about flying have said
they had toyed with the idea in varying measure. I think there is a latent
interest there that needs to be touched on anytime burdens are proposed.
People will likely oppose those things which may inhibit future dreams.
 




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