Wondering about the F-102...

From: "Kevin Brooks"

Of course, the area had a lot of rather
densely packed high value targets (Langley, home of TAC and also IIRC an
EC-135 Looking Glass site; Norfolk and its naval and naval air station
facilities, Little Creek amphib base, Yorktown Naval weapons depot, Ft
Eustis (which we invariably called "Useless", FT Monroe (which had
additional protection, being the last active Army post complete with
*moat*), etc.

Brooks


The 135s were KCs with TWA and battle staff functions. We used the KC-135 T.O.s
instead of the EC-135. They flew standard KC as well as Scopelight missions.
Scopelight was the east coast version of Looking Class and flew the battle
staff and CIC Atlantic. The air crew were 6 ACCS. There were similar missions
based in England and the Pacific. The names of which I forget.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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From: "Kevin Brooks"

Of course, the area had a lot of rather
densely packed high value targets (Langley, home of TAC and also IIRC an
EC-135 Looking Glass site; Norfolk and its naval and naval air station
facilities, Little Creek amphib base, Yorktown Naval weapons depot, Ft
Eustis (which we invariably called "Useless", FT Monroe (which had
additional protection, being the last active Army post complete with
*moat*), etc.

Brooks


The 135s were KCs with TWA and battle staff functions. We used the KC-135
T.O.s
instead of the EC-135. They flew standard KC as well as Scopelight
missions.
Scopelight was the east coast version of Looking Class and flew the battle
staff and CIC Atlantic. The air crew were 6 ACCS. There were similar
missions
based in England and the Pacific. The names of which I forget.

Thanks for the clarification. Would that difference explain the unholy
reverberations (for those of us below the flightpath) that accompanied their
takeoffs, in that they used the water injection of the KC?

Brooks

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: "Kevin Brooks"


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From: "Kevin Brooks"

Of course, the area had a lot of rather
densely packed high value targets (Langley, home of TAC and also IIRC an
EC-135 Looking Glass site; Norfolk and its naval and naval air station
facilities, Little Creek amphib base, Yorktown Naval weapons depot, Ft
Eustis (which we invariably called "Useless", FT Monroe (which had
additional protection, being the last active Army post complete with
*moat*), etc.

Brooks


The 135s were KCs with TWA and battle staff functions. We used the KC-135
T.O.s
instead of the EC-135. They flew standard KC as well as Scopelight
missions.
Scopelight was the east coast version of Looking Class and flew the battle
staff and CIC Atlantic. The air crew were 6 ACCS. There were similar
missions
based in England and the Pacific. The names of which I forget.

Thanks for the clarification. Would that difference explain the unholy
reverberations (for those of us below the flightpath) that accompanied their
takeoffs, in that they used the water injection of the KC?

Brooks



That li'l ole noise? Yep, nothing beats the sound of a KC-135 on water. When we
did engine trims the people at CBPO took a strong dislike to us. The trim tab
was near there and the wind seemed to always be from the proper direction to
ensure the engine exhausts were pointed right at CBPO. Kind of rattled the
windows a tad.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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From: "Kevin Brooks"


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From: "Kevin Brooks"

Of course, the area had a lot of rather
densely packed high value targets (Langley, home of TAC and also IIRC
an
EC-135 Looking Glass site; Norfolk and its naval and naval air station
facilities, Little Creek amphib base, Yorktown Naval weapons depot, Ft
Eustis (which we invariably called "Useless", FT Monroe (which had
additional protection, being the last active Army post complete with
*moat*), etc.

Brooks


The 135s were KCs with TWA and battle staff functions. We used the
KC-135
T.O.s
instead of the EC-135. They flew standard KC as well as Scopelight
missions.
Scopelight was the east coast version of Looking Class and flew the
battle
staff and CIC Atlantic. The air crew were 6 ACCS. There were similar
missions
based in England and the Pacific. The names of which I forget.

Thanks for the clarification. Would that difference explain the unholy
reverberations (for those of us below the flightpath) that accompanied
their
takeoffs, in that they used the water injection of the KC?

Brooks



That li'l ole noise? Yep, nothing beats the sound of a KC-135 on water.
When we
did engine trims the people at CBPO took a strong dislike to us. The trim
tab
was near there and the wind seemed to always be from the proper direction
to
ensure the engine exhausts were pointed right at CBPO. Kind of rattled the
windows a tad.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yeah, and they did indeed rattle the windows at the homestead when they
passed overhead. Much worse than even the F-106's on a scramble. But for
sheer noise, the guys next door to you at LRC/NASA had you beat by a
mile--ever hear the sound involved when they uncorked the high speed
windtunnel for a test? We lived over near Deer Park, and when the ambient
noise was down and the conditions were right we could hear it at the house.

Brooks

From: "Kevin Brooks"
We lived over near Deer Park, and when the ambient
noise was down and the conditions were right we could hear it at the house.

Brooks

I lived in the Deer Park Aprtments by Casey Chevy. It was quiet there.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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From: "Kevin Brooks"
We lived over near Deer Park, and when the ambient
noise was down and the conditions were right we could hear it at the
house.

Brooks

I lived in the Deer Park Aprtments by Casey Chevy. It was quiet there.

Well, with Jefferson Avenue on one side of you and Rt. 17 on the other, your
ambient range was likely a bit different from mine (Groome Rd, about halfway
between Jefferson and Harpersville Rd). Believe me--we never heard the
KC's unless they were flying overhead, but we could indeed pick up the sound
of the high speed tunnel cutting loose when the conditions were right.

You would have been pretty close to the old Bomarc site, or at least to the
back side of it. I used to go squirrel hunting in that area; got turned
around once and ended up hiking a fair distance out of my way to get back
out. Now there is a big Omni Hotel on that site, Jefferson Avenue has six
lanes is developed all the way up past the airport (no more Yoder's
Dairey--it is the site of a huge shopping mall). Not a bad place to grow up,
but I sure would not want to live there now.

Brooks


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Kevin Brooks" wrote

I lived in the Deer Park Aprtments by Casey Chevy. It was quiet there.

Well, with Jefferson Avenue on one side of you and Rt. 17 on the other,
your
ambient range was likely a bit different from mine (Groome Rd, about
halfway
between Jefferson and Harpersville Rd). Believe me--we never heard the
KC's unless they were flying overhead, but we could indeed pick up the
sound
of the high speed tunnel cutting loose when the conditions were right.

You would have been pretty close to the old Bomarc site, or at least to
the
back side of it. I used to go squirrel hunting in that area; got turned
around once and ended up hiking a fair distance out of my way to get back
out. Now there is a big Omni Hotel on that site, Jefferson Avenue has six
lanes is developed all the way up past the airport (no more Yoder's
Dairey--it is the site of a huge shopping mall). Not a bad place to grow
up,
but I sure would not want to live there now.


It's not so bad, even now. Evidently different from when you were there, but
where is that not the case?
The intersection of 17 and Jefferson is pretty much the outer edge of the
Langley traffic pattern. -15's turning into final twice a day.

When conditions are right, we can hear the cars at the Langley Raceway on
Friday and Saturday nights. Jet Blue jets leaving PatrickHenry Intl.

And of course the springtime C-130 mosquito dustings.

Pete