The F-102 Delta Dagger (Was GWB as a Nat'l Guard Fighter Pilot threads.)

"Michael P. Reed" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Maybe it was felt they had better odds against bombers.

It probably would have.

The Falcon was originally designed for shooting down bombers and not
fighters. Only the AIM-4D was considered as a "dogfight" missile.

The Falcon did go through upgrades throughout its career. The final ones
in
service (AIM-4F/G limited to use on the F-106) were undoubtedly better
and
more capable than the early sixties variants, with greater range, larger
warheads, and better maneuverability than the original AIM-4A and later
AIM-4D.

This is a bit wrong.

And then you go on to acknowledge that the Falcon did indeed go through a
development program that left the later variants decidedly more capable than
the first version...? Note I said "the final ones in service", not the
"final version fielded".

Brooks

The Falcon came originally in two versions and
entered service with the F-89J with the -A and -C versions (three each
to every F-89) either late in 1956 or early 1957. The -A being radar
guided, and the -C infrared. The -E was a larger variant with radar
guidance and this entered production shortly after the -A's and -C's.
The -F was an improved -E and was the standard radar version. About
the same time the -G was introduced as an infrared variant of the
-E/-F. IIRC, the -D was not introduced until about '60, and was the
last variant procured. It was basically the smaller -A/-C airframe
with the -G guidance and motor. Some were purpose built, but most
were reconstructed -A/-C's. It is confusing that the last Falcon
would be given an "earlier" designation, but remember that all were
manufactured prior to the tri-service (re)designations in 1962. The
AIM-26s were even larger than the -E/-F/-G's and so were given a
different designations. AIM-26A was the nuke version of the Falcon.
The AIM-26B had a conventional warhead, and was produced under licence
in Sweden as the Rb-27 (as you say). The AIM-47 was to have armed the
F-108, and later the YF-12.

The Falcon, FWIW, was, like BOMARC, given a "fighter" designation;
F-98 Falcon (BOMARC was F-99). The designation changes was as
follows:

USAF Tri-Service

GAR-1 AIM-4
GAR-1D AIM-4A
GAR-2 AIM-4B
GAR-2A AIM-4C
GAR-2B AIM-4D
GAR-3 AIM-4E
GAR-3A AIM-4F
GAR-4A AIM-4G
GAR-11 AIM-26A
GAR-11A AIM-26B
GAR-9 AIM-47A

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Regards,

Michael P. Reed

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"Michael P. Reed" wrote in message
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The Falcon did go through upgrades throughout its career. The final ones
in
service (AIM-4F/G limited to use on the F-106) were undoubtedly better
and
more capable than the early sixties variants, with greater range, larger
warheads, and better maneuverability than the original AIM-4A and later
AIM-4D.

This is a bit wrong.

And then you go on to acknowledge that the Falcon did indeed go through a
development program that left the later variants decidedly more capable than
the first version...? Note I said "the final ones in service", not the
"final version fielded".

Er, ok, I missed the "later" prior to "AIM-4D," but IIRC the AIM-4D
was the most maneuverable of the lot and it had the same seeker as the
G. The "Super Falcon" Fs and Gs did have a somewhat bigger warhead
though.

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Regards,

Michael P. Reed

"Michael P. Reed" wrote:

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"Michael P. Reed" wrote in message
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The Falcon did go through upgrades throughout its career. The final ones
in
service (AIM-4F/G limited to use on the F-106) were undoubtedly better
and
more capable than the early sixties variants, with greater range, larger
warheads, and better maneuverability than the original AIM-4A and later
AIM-4D.

This is a bit wrong.

And then you go on to acknowledge that the Falcon did indeed go through a
development program that left the later variants decidedly more capable than
the first version...? Note I said "the final ones in service", not the
"final version fielded".

Er, ok, I missed the "later" prior to "AIM-4D," but IIRC the AIM-4D
was the most maneuverable of the lot and it had the same seeker as the
G. The "Super Falcon" Fs and Gs did have a somewhat bigger warhead
though.

The AIM-4D was a joke; even the test equipment displayed
a huge question mark in green lights - on the rare occasion
when the system worked properly. (Seriously; it did!)

Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote in message ...

The AIM-4D was a joke; even the test equipment displayed
a huge question mark in green lights - on the rare occasion
when the system worked properly. (Seriously; it did!)

Ah, but we were discussing the issue of relativity. How was it as
compared to the G?

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Michael P. Reed