About German Mystery Objects

"Krztalizer" wrote in message
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If the German scientists and co were so much more advanced then the
Allies with jets and new inventions from 1930s-1945, who knows what
else
was created that after the war the Allies dare not want the public
to
see..


A bemusing little troll. It's equivalent to an American saying that
the Philidephia Experiment really happened. Interesting how everyone
including some mature posters is hooked in though.

But their leads were momentary, if at all. Allied jet fighters were
introduced
within months of German aircraft - and the main differences were
primarily in
the life expectancy of the crew and MTBF for the airframes, so
perhaps the idea
of 'first' didn't necessarily equate to 'better' or 'best'.

To be fair compromises in some aspects of quality were necessary to
redress the quantitative advantages of the allies. the life of a
German airframe was not much in anycase. Note the work they did do
on ejection seats.

We could have
rushed the P-80 into service a wee bit faster if we hung workers
suspected of
slacking off or whipped them to make them work harder, but that
isn't our way.

Actually forced or conscripted labour in production was fairly well
treated and fed, it had to be. It was that labour used in the
exacavation of underground works that appears to have suffered
severely.


German centimetric airborne radar development was a full generation
behind
Allied sets, allowing the cream of the NJG forces and hundreds of
night bombers
to be destroyed by Allied nightfighters. The list of technological
failures is
every bit as dramatic as their successes.

Quite true. The time periode between the discovery of the rotterdam
Garate (a H2S Magnetron lost on a Sterling in Feb 1943) and the
appearence of A few FuG 244 equiped Ju 88G7s in Jan 1945 is about 23
months.

The original German magnetron and microwave development team had been
conscripted into the army and had to be recalled so that expertise was
available. Even before that was done the presence of the magnetron
on ground mapping radar was taken as proof that microwave radar was
not good.

Hell, the brown shirt "geniuses"
didn't even realize the Allies were reading their coded messages
just as fast
as they were transmitted.

Actually craking the code required a mistake to be made and a long
message and when keys changed it could be a while before the were
cracked again. When the u boats began receiving individual messages
in late 1944 with their own unique keys the codes were never cracked.



Even today WW1 secret dealing with US army records are still highly
guarded.. so i can suspect we only saw a tip of iceberg from ww2.

True, but it was a mid-1940s iceberg, not some sort of futuristic
engineering
eutopia where normal linear development is suspended, I guess
because the
Fuhrer willed it to be so? The critical limiting factors to all of
the
wunderwaffe, SS discs and secret bases, are time and resources -
they were
quickly running out of both and no matter how inventive, these guys
were being
directed by criminally inefficient and certifiably crazy egomaniacs
that had no
true interest in sciences. Just what sort of usable engineering
gets created
within the walls of Bedlam?

There truely were some unnecesary stuff up that could have been
avoided if the leadership understood how technology progesses. The
fact that all German radars shared a single frequency and the secrecy
sourounding the effectiveness soruning 'duppel' or the German version
of Window which had so much secrecy placed upon it proper
countermeasures could not be developed.

"The Enlightenment" wrote in message ...

There truely were some unnecesary stuff up that could have been
avoided if the leadership understood how technology progesses. The
fact that all German radars shared a single frequency...

All German radars did not share a single frequency - far from it,
actually*. Their radars were far more frequency agile than Allied
radars, although not like the "frequency agile" that we know today.
Most could be retuned fairly easily, being rather simple, elegant
designs. Most allied radars could not without a massive headache (as
in hours of unstable operation, getting all the bugs out). Allied
microwave radars could not change frequency at all, unless the
magnetron was actually replaced. The "first" (I think) tuneable
microwave radar the Allies had was the X band SCR-584.

On a side note, both the Allies and the Axis both tried to keep their
radars confined to various bands. There is a good reason for this -
interference. The airwaves were horribly overcrowded, even up in the
VHF area where air search radars live. Spreading your radars all over
the place on the band is actually troublesome.

*Freyas were found everywhere between 90 and 190 MHz. Wurzburgs were
found from 470 to 590 MHz. Source: TME 11-219 "Directory of German
Radar Equipment".

and the secrecy
sourounding the effectiveness soruning 'duppel' or the German version
of Window which had so much secrecy placed upon it proper
countermeasures could not be developed.

For 1940s technology, Window was almost impossible to defeat. The
Germans, however, did a pretty good job with their Window ECCM
(anti-jam). Allied radars had AJ features as well, but not quite as
advanced (it was rarely used).

William Donzelli