Glider Recommendations

On May 20, 5:21*pm, glider12321 wrote:
On May 20, 7:00*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:

The hand controls I have seen have been on ships that drive the rudder
with a push rod, like the G-103. The hand control is mounted on the
left side and is connected to the rudder push-rod, behind the rear
seat. How does one hook a hand control to a ship that uses cables to
drive its rudder? *Most rudder pedals only move the rudder on one side
and use a spring to keep tension when the other pedal is moved.
JJ

I have also seen a G102 set up with hand controls. The spoiler handle
was un sprung and had a detent so it could be set for landing and
rudder controlled with the left hand.

I am a volunteer instructor for Freedoms Wings International..we fly
out of several NE airports.

We have two Grob 103's with hand control rudder and spoiler with
detents...

Yes, the Grob has a "pushrod" rudder which allows a simple hand
control , connected to the rear left rudder pedal to control either
left or right rudder......hand control can be fitted to front or rear
seat as well......other gliders with cable controlled rudder will be
more difficult to fit a hand control rudder.

As far as I know, the Grob 103 and the ASK 21 are "factory approved"
for manual control.....

I am not usre if any single seat gliders come with factory approved
manual control..if not, considerable FAA paperwork may be required....

I would suggest that you consider the Gorb 103......a two seater has
some obvious advantages, and can alway be flown solo if desired...also
should fall well short of your price range....
even with manual control modifications...

You can do a web search for freedomw wings international and get some
contacts for further information


Bob Cook

On May 20, 11:26*pm, "
wrote:
On May 20, 5:21*pm, glider12321 wrote:

On May 20, 7:00*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:

The hand controls I have seen have been on ships that drive the rudder
with a push rod, like the G-103. The hand control is mounted on the
left side and is connected to the rudder push-rod, behind the rear
seat. How does one hook a hand control to a ship that uses cables to
drive its rudder? *Most rudder pedals only move the rudder on one side
and use a spring to keep tension when the other pedal is moved.
JJ

I have also seen a G102 set up with hand controls. The spoiler handle
was un sprung and had a detent so it could be set for landing and
rudder controlled with the left hand.

I am a volunteer instructor for Freedoms Wings International..we fly
out of several NE airports.

We have two Grob 103's with hand *control rudder and spoiler with
detents...

Yes, the Grob has a "pushrod" rudder which allows a simple hand
control , connected to the rear left rudder pedal to control either
left or right rudder......hand control can be fitted to front or rear
seat as well......other gliders with cable controlled rudder will be
more difficult to fit a hand control rudder.

As far as I know, the Grob 103 and the ASK 21 are "factory approved"
for manual control.....

I am not usre if any single seat gliders come with factory approved
manual control..if not, considerable FAA paperwork may be required....

I would suggest that you consider the Gorb 103......a two seater has
some obvious advantages, and can alway be flown solo if desired...also
should fall well short of your price range....
even with manual control modifications...

You can do a web search for freedomw wings international and get *some
contacts for further information

Bob Cook

There is a Grob 103 at Mile High Gliding in Boulder with the hand
controls. It isn't currently set up but can be with no problem I hear.
They also have a 102 in a trailer with hand controls I believe.

Reed

Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. (if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for a
lesser glider because of my disability. If things get out of hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination and
the ADA will help things along... Nevertheless, an 'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.
I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

Thanks again

On 5/22/2011 10:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:
Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. (if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for a
lesser glider because of my disability. If things get out of hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination and
the ADA will help things along... Nevertheless, an 'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.


Discus? Big cockpit, easy to fly, and for most of us as competitive as
the latest gliders. For $50,000 you should be able to get one in
excellent shape with a Cobra trailer.


I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

Thanks again

On May 22, 11:46*pm, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 5/22/2011 10:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:





Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. *(if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for a
lesser glider because of my disability. *If things get out of hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination and
the ADA will help things along... *Nevertheless, an 'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.

Discus? *Big cockpit, easy to fly, and for most of us as competitive as
the latest gliders. *For $50,000 you should be able to get one in
excellent shape with a Cobra trailer.



I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

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Genesis 2.. Also very easy to fly, even more forgiving for lower time
pilots, no bad habits.. Larger cockpit... more elbow room for
controls. 40+:1 glide, excellent at high speeds. Nose dragger… no need
to transition to a tail dragger. I rented one a few times and was
amazed by what a nice glider this is.

Where can you rent a Genesis???

At 16:26 23 May 2011, glider12321 wrote:
On May 22, 11:46=A0pm, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 5/22/2011 10:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:





Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and
I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially
if
I get a single place glider. =A0(if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for
a
lesser glider because of my disability. =A0If things get out of
hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination
and
the ADA will help things along... =A0Nevertheless, an
'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls
installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if
you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent
sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.

Discus? =A0Big cockpit, easy to fly, and for most of us as competitive
as
the latest gliders. =A0For $50,000 you should be able to get one in
excellent shape with a Cobra trailer.



I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

Thanks again- Hide quoted text -

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Genesis 2.. Also very easy to fly, even more forgiving for lower time
pilots, no bad habits.. Larger cockpit... more elbow room for
controls. 40+:1 glide, excellent at high speeds. Nose dragger=85 no need
to transition to a tail dragger. I rented one a few times and was
amazed by what a nice glider this is.

Nyal,

Grand Teton Soaring Cub in Driggs, ID has one.
http://www.tetonsoaring.org/
http://www.tetonsoaring.org/gtsc_handbook.pdf

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
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Where can you rent a Genesis???

On May 23, 3:06*pm, Nyal Williams wrote:
Where can *you rent a Genesis???

Yeah, I thought it was funny that you can rent a Genesis - as it's
experimental... I think az soaring even advertises it in
'soaring'...

Hi Greg,

A friend of mine sent me your post on US RAS and I thought I would
respond. I live in England and I am a T4 complete lesion para and I fly an
LS7. I trained on a K21 and when I wanted to progress to a single seater I
looked for something that was going to be racy but straight forward to
convert. Another friend of mine who is an engineer designed the hand
controls and we got them approved through the technical committee of the
BGA before we got swallowed up by the bureaucrats at EASA. Now the
Britain's Civil Aviation Authority has been subsumed by European bull****
it's more difficult and lots more costly to breath let alone convert
gliders. In America I believe you have more scope under the Experimental
Aircraft Association so that might be the way to go.

Anyway if you are interested in more info, pictures or design drawings for
the LS7 get in touch.

Incidentally, do you know of Freedom Wings? I flew at Zephyr Hills in
their Twin Acro=A0Grob 109 a few weeks ago when I was over in Florida on
vacation. They are worth contacting if you haven't already.

Good luck with your project.

Steve Derwin

On 5/22/2011 11:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:
Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. (if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for a
lesser glider because of my disability. If things get out of hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination and
the ADA will help things along... Nevertheless, an 'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.
I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

Thanks again

The following is old information, but possibly of 'encouragement use' in any
event.

Some time ago (~15 years?) I encountered a hand-control-equipped AS W-24 flown
by a paraplegic male, then based out of Jackson Hole, WY. Unfortunately I
don't remember his name, nor the ship's registration category (e.g.
'Experimental'). It did not have a sustainer; he did fly it XC (though he
sought to land only on airports to minimize heat-related retrieve issues); he
depended upon a cell phone for retrieve calls.

Best of luck!

Bob W.