Glider Recommendations

On May 23, 9:57*am, BobW wrote:
On 5/22/2011 11:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:









Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. *(if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for a
lesser glider because of my disability. *If things get out of hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination and
the ADA will help things along... *Nevertheless, an 'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.
I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

Thanks again

The following is old information, but possibly of 'encouragement use' in any
event.

Some time ago (~15 years?) I encountered a hand-control-equipped AS W-24 flown
by a paraplegic male, then based out of Jackson Hole, WY. Unfortunately I
don't remember his name, nor the ship's registration category (e.g.
'Experimental'). It did not have a sustainer; he did fly it XC (though he
sought to land only on airports to minimize heat-related retrieve issues); he
depended upon a cell phone for retrieve calls.

Best of luck!

Bob W.

I have a phone # that I assume is still good for this person. Email
me off list to rbackermaiatyahoo .

Bob

Thanks again for all the info -

I would be interested in talking to the guy who hand controlled the
asw-24.

Also, I think when I do head out - I'll always have a SPOT on me (and
a cell phone) I'll most likely be flying with a wing-man or two for a
while before I head out on my own.

The Genesis is climbing on my list for sure - it seems to be liked
amongst the people who've flown it, and I kind of like that it's goofy
looking. Does anyone know what kind of maneuvers it can do (not that
aerobatic is my main reason to fly, but I think it's a fun way to lose
some altitude at the end of a flight...)

Where can you rent a Genesis???

At 16:26 23 May 2011, glider12321 wrote:
On May 22, 11:46=A0pm, Greg Arnold wrote:
On 5/22/2011 10:19 PM, Justrolln wrote:





Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and
I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially
if
I get a single place glider. =A0(if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

I know that dealing with the FAA and getting hand controls installed
might (will) be a pain - however, I don't think I should settle for
a
lesser glider because of my disability. =A0If things get out of
hand,
I'm sure a letter from a good lawyer talking about discrimination
and
the ADA will help things along... =A0Nevertheless, an
'experimental'
glider wouldn't be a bad thing in my situation...

For this discussion, let's assume that getting hand controls
installed
isn't going to be a problem. What I'm mainly interested in is, if
you
had about $50,000 to spend on a glider (and were a decent
sized-large
guy interested in contests and cross country), what would it be, and
why.

Discus? =A0Big cockpit, easy to fly, and for most of us as competitive
as
the latest gliders. =A0For $50,000 you should be able to get one in
excellent shape with a Cobra trailer.



I'm particularly interested in any non-flap gliders that I haven't
mentioned (the more I fly, I don't think flaps would be a big issue
but it'd be nice to know the options out there.)

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Genesis 2.. Also very easy to fly, even more forgiving for lower time
pilots, no bad habits.. Larger cockpit... more elbow room for
controls. 40+:1 glide, excellent at high speeds. Nose dragger=85 no need
to transition to a tail dragger. I rented one a few times and was
amazed by what a nice glider this is.

On 5/23/2011 1:19 AM, Justrolln wrote:
Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. (if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

Errrr.... there are single seat Grobs with better performance.

Tony

On May 23, 5:02*pm, Tony V wrote:
On 5/23/2011 1:19 AM, Justrolln wrote:

Thanks for the posts-

I'd rather not buy a grob - as that is ship I'm training in... and I
think I can do a bit better than the grobs performance - especially if
I get a single place glider. *(if i need a 2 place, I can rent one
from my field.)

Errrr.... there are single seat Grobs with better performance.

Tony

I rented the Genesis at two glider ports. First at Mile High Gliding
in Boulder a couple of times 4 or 5 years ago. I don't think they
have it any more. The second was on a cople of trips to Phoenix to
warm up in the winter. I went to Estrella Glider port and rented their
Genesis on two occasions. I'm sure they still have that one.
I only have about 10 or 12 hours in them so I don't know about
aerobatics but they do have powerful spoilers and don't like to spin
(doesn't even drop a wing on a stall er.. mush) so just pull the
boards to descend

Nyal,

Grand Teton Soaring Cub in Driggs, ID has one.
http://www.tetonsoaring.org/
http://www.tetonsoaring.org/gtsc_handbook.pdf

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

"Nyal Williams" wrote in message
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Where can you rent a Genesis???

Hi Greg,

A friend of mine sent me your post on US RAS and I thought I would
respond. I live in England and I am a T4 complete lesion para and I fly an
LS7. I trained on a K21 and when I wanted to progress to a single seater I
looked for something that was going to be racy but straight forward to
convert. Another friend of mine who is an engineer designed the hand
controls and we got them approved through the technical committee of the
BGA before we got swallowed up by the bureaucrats at EASA. Now the
Britain's Civil Aviation Authority has been subsumed by European bull****
it's more difficult and lots more costly to breath let alone convert
gliders. In America I believe you have more scope under the Experimental
Aircraft Association so that might be the way to go.

Anyway if you are interested in more info, pictures or design drawings for
the LS7 get in touch.

Incidentally, do you know of Freedom Wings? I flew at Zephyr Hills in
their Twin Acro=A0Grob 109 a few weeks ago when I was over in Florida on
vacation. They are worth contacting if you haven't already.

Good luck with your project.

Steve Derwin

On May 23, 3:06*pm, Nyal Williams wrote:
Where can *you rent a Genesis???

Yeah, I thought it was funny that you can rent a Genesis - as it's
experimental... I think az soaring even advertises it in
'soaring'...

On May 25, 2:38*am, Justrolln wrote:
On May 23, 3:06*pm, Nyal Williams wrote:

Where can *you rent a Genesis???

Yeah, I thought it was funny that you can rent a Genesis - as it's
experimental... *I think az soaring even advertises it in
'soaring'...

Our club had a IS28B2 2 place Lark we built and STC'd (FAA APPROVED)
a hand control for, worked great....send me an email address and I can
hook you up with the club member who flew it and has the
paperwork...