F-106 Speed record questions....

"Tarver Engineering" wrote


There is no problem with my accuracy.

JT, the question we seem to be having revolves around your words "normal
operating speed".

No one doubts the F-106 at 2+Mach top speed. Exact cites vary slightly.

But that speed as "normal"? YGBSM

Pete

"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote


There is no problem with my accuracy.

JT, the question we seem to be having revolves around your words "normal
operating speed".

My comment as to mach 2.3 being normal operating speed goes to the assertion
that the airplane would have a problem with going that fast. Taking an
F-106 to mach 2.3 does not damage the airplane.

No one doubts the F-106 at 2+Mach top speed. Exact cites vary slightly.

But that speed as "normal"? YGBSM

Normal, as in probably every F-106 saw that speed somethime in it's
lifetime.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote


There is no problem with my accuracy.

JT, the question we seem to be having revolves around your words "normal
operating speed".

My comment as to mach 2.3 being normal operating speed goes to the
assertion
that the airplane would have a problem with going that fast. Taking an
F-106 to mach 2.3 does not damage the airplane.

No one doubts the F-106 at 2+Mach top speed. Exact cites vary slightly.

But that speed as "normal"? YGBSM

Normal, as in probably every F-106 saw that speed somethime in it's
lifetime.

That's an interesting definition of the word "normal".

The "normal" operating speed of my old minivan is 105, since it did that
once in it's lifetime.

Pete

"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote


There is no problem with my accuracy.

JT, the question we seem to be having revolves around your words
"normal
operating speed".

My comment as to mach 2.3 being normal operating speed goes to the
assertion
that the airplane would have a problem with going that fast. Taking an
F-106 to mach 2.3 does not damage the airplane.

No one doubts the F-106 at 2+Mach top speed. Exact cites vary
slightly.

But that speed as "normal"? YGBSM

Normal, as in probably every F-106 saw that speed somethime in it's
lifetime.

That's an interesting definition of the word "normal".

The "normal" operating speed of my old minivan is 105, since it did that
once in it's lifetime.

If your F-105 is capable of doing something inside its flight envelope, it
is normal operation. You have to remember that I have been harrassed here
for years over claiming our F-106s were capable of mach 2.3 without damaging
the airplane.

An example of an abnormal operation is the cobra manouver, as the flight
controls are altered from normal operation.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote

If your F-105 is capable of doing something inside its flight envelope, it
is normal operation. You have to remember that I have been harrassed here
for years over claiming our F-106s were capable of mach 2.3 without
damaging
the airplane.

An example of an abnormal operation is the cobra manouver, as the flight
controls are altered from normal operation.

As I said...a very 'interesting' definition of the word normal.

Pete

"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

If your F-105 is capable of doing something inside its flight envelope, it
is normal operation.

An example of an abnormal operation is the cobra manouver, as the flight
controls are altered from normal operation.

How are the flight controls "altered from normal operation"?

What part of the cobra maneuver is outside the airplane's flight envelope?

How do you define "flight envelope" in context?

"John R Weiss" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote...

If your F-105 is capable of doing something inside its flight envelope,
it
is normal operation.

An example of an abnormal operation is the cobra manouver, as the flight
controls are altered from normal operation.

How are the flight controls "altered from normal operation"?

The operator must disable the control system augmentation in order to do a
cobra manouver.

What part of the cobra maneuver is outside the airplane's flight envelope?

The airplane will not do a cobra manouver with the control's augmentation
on.

How do you define "flight envelope" in context?

I define it the same way as you would an F-18 in "cable actuated system"
mode.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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If your F-105 is capable of doing something inside its flight envelope, it
is normal operation.

An example of an abnormal operation is the cobra manouver, as the flight
controls are altered from normal operation.

How are the flight controls "altered from normal operation"?

The operator must disable the control system augmentation in order to do a
cobra manouver.

What part of the cobra maneuver is outside the airplane's flight envelope?

The airplane will not do a cobra manouver with the control's augmentation
on.

How do you define "flight envelope" in context?

I define it the same way as you would an F-18 in "cable actuated system"
mode.

I don't define "flight envelope" in any context with reference to any F-18
system mode...

So, what was the "normal operation" mode of the F-106 flight controls?

By your definition/description of "flight envelope," any maneuver or regime an
airplane can enter with any control input, using "normal" control authority is a
"normal operation."

Using that definition, any maneuvers prohibited by the Operator's Handbook or
other limitations would be considered "normal" if they were achievable using the
"normal" flight control mode. So, do you consider as "normal operation" any
departure from controlled flight, spin (even if entered inadvertently, in an
aircraft in which intentional spins are prohibited), or extended inverted flight
(even if it causes oil or fuel starvation to the engine)? Many airplanes can
enter these flight regimes with flight controls in "normal" configurations, but
few pilots would consider them "normal operations" in most airplanes.