Best PDA/PNA for FLARM display?

Hi Frank,

SeeYou Mobile and your ClearNav can currently display FLARM traffic and
climb rates, etc.

I'm not aware of any soaring software or hardware that can currently display
the ADS-B or transponder traffic data from the PowerFLARM. I'm not certain
whether or not the PowerFLARM will send ADS-B and transponder traffic data
out. I am optimistic that it will do so in the long run. I'm also
optimistic that soaring software will be able to display the ADS-B and
transponder traffic data in the long run. Until then, I highly recommend
using a PowerFLARM display in your cockpit. It would be a shame if the
PowerFLARM was trying to alert you to nearby ADS-B or transponder traffic
and you weren't listening.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"Frank Paynter" wrote in message
...
I flew with a portable PowerFLARM at the Uvalde pre-worlds, and I have
a 'brick' unit on order for delivery sometime this fall/winter. As I
wait for delivery, I am contemplating how to integrate it into my
current instrumentation setup.

One possibility I am considering is to not use the brick's Butterfly
display at all, assuming I can get adequate display/warnings from
FLARM data displayed on one of the many PDA/PNA moving map displays
available these days.

Does anyone have experience with FLARM display on WinPilot PRO v9,
SeeYou Mobile on an Oudie or other display, ClearNav, or other? Is
the integrated display good enough to replace the Butterfly display?

TIA,

TA

PowerFLARM does not yet send out serial-port data on ADS-B traffic or PCAS alerts. That is under developed by FLARM. Third party vendors will have to add support for those Flarm enhancements.

There is a lot of detail to ask about when looking at different FLARM 3rd party software integration. What exact feature of FLARM and PowerFLARM (especially) does it support, e.g. does it support FLARMNET - the ability to tie glider information to an Flarm/ICAO ID etc. (and I'm not even sure if that will be used in the USA - I hope so).

Be very careful of any third party vendor who just says "we support Flarm" that is a pretty useless level of detail. You have to look in detail, often at the user manual to see exactly what is there and what works.

I am looking at SeeYou Mobile talking to a PowerFLARM in front of me at the moment. I see the Flarm rings but no Flarm equipped gliders flying nearby....

Darryl

Hi Darryl,

Good points.

I know that SeeYou Mobile does support FLARMNet. You just download the
FLARMNet data file and save it in the "Radar" directory on the PDA or PNA.

The PowerFLARM display currently does not support FLARMNet. It may in the
future.

I don't know whether or not the ClearNav supports FLARMNet.

I have registered my PowerFLARM on FLARMNet. It is pretty easy to do.
FLARM recommends using your gliders ICAO ID - which is easy to get. But you
do need to convert it to a Hex number. That is easy if you know how. The
calculator in Window can make the conversion. The PowerFLARM manual shows
where to get your ICAO ID from the FAA web site.

Paul Remde

"Darryl Ramm" wrote in message
...

PowerFLARM does not yet send out serial-port data on ADS-B traffic or PCAS
alerts. That is under developed by FLARM. Third party vendors will have to
add support for those Flarm enhancements.

There is a lot of detail to ask about when looking at different FLARM 3rd
party software integration. What exact feature of FLARM and PowerFLARM
(especially) does it support, e.g. does it support FLARMNET - the ability to
tie glider information to an Flarm/ICAO ID etc. (and I'm not even sure if
that will be used in the USA - I hope so).

Be very careful of any third party vendor who just says "we support Flarm"
that is a pretty useless level of detail. You have to look in detail, often
at the user manual to see exactly what is there and what works.

I am looking at SeeYou Mobile talking to a PowerFLARM in front of me at the
moment. I see the Flarm rings but no Flarm equipped gliders flying nearby...

Darryl

XCSoar for Altair shows Flarm really well, not sure if XCSoar on a PDA does
as well.
Tom

At 15:24 24 August 2011, Paul Remde wrote:
Hi Frank,

SeeYou Mobile and your ClearNav can currently display FLARM traffic and
climb rates, etc.

I'm not aware of any soaring software or hardware that can currently
display
the ADS-B or transponder traffic data from the PowerFLARM. I'm not
certain

whether or not the PowerFLARM will send ADS-B and transponder traffic data

out. I am optimistic that it will do so in the long run. I'm also
optimistic that soaring software will be able to display the ADS-B and
transponder traffic data in the long run. Until then, I highly recommend

using a PowerFLARM display in your cockpit. It would be a shame if the
PowerFLARM was trying to alert you to nearby ADS-B or transponder traffic

and you weren't listening.

Good Soaring,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

"Frank Paynter" wrote in message
...
I flew with a portable PowerFLARM at the Uvalde pre-worlds, and I have
a 'brick' unit on order for delivery sometime this fall/winter. As I
wait for delivery, I am contemplating how to integrate it into my
current instrumentation setup.

One possibility I am considering is to not use the brick's Butterfly
display at all, assuming I can get adequate display/warnings from
FLARM data displayed on one of the many PDA/PNA moving map displays
available these days.

Does anyone have experience with FLARM display on WinPilot PRO v9,
SeeYou Mobile on an Oudie or other display, ClearNav, or other? Is
the integrated display good enough to replace the Butterfly display?

TIA,

TA

Tom Claffey wrote:
XCSoar for Altair shows Flarm really well, not sure if XCSoar on a PDA does
as well.

XCSoar has the same features on all supported platforms (Windows,
Windows CE/Mobile, Android, Linux, Mac OS X), which includes a
state-of-the-art FLARM display.

By the way, the Dell Streak Mini has the very best display with
current hardware. Unfortunately, it has gone out of production a few
weeks ago, so get one while you can.

Some photos:

http://max.kellermann.name/gallery/fliegen/streak/
http://max.kellermann.name/download/..._vs_streak.jpg

Max