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On Oct 8, 2:58*pm, Tom wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:33:02 -0700, Steve Hix wrote: In article , *"Keith Willshaw" wrote: Tom wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:31:48 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote: Quaalude wrote: https://www.divinecosmos.com/start-h...dergroundbases Ah the website of kook central. Why do you say that? Its an amusing mix of ignorance and plain kookiness I especially liked the claim that the Vatican bank had been secretly controlling the world since the time of Julius Caesar who of course died in 44 BC. Forward looking bunch, those Romans. Not as much so as the Egyptians and the other highly advanced civilizations that built the geometrically perfect, astronomically accurate pyramids across the world as warning signs for the generation of today.- William Shatner of Star Trek told me that the Martians built them. |
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:58*pm, Tom wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:33:02 -0700, Steve Hix wrote: In article , *"Keith Willshaw" wrote: Tom wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:31:48 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote: Quaalude wrote: https://www.divinecosmos.com/start-h...dergroundbases Ah the website of kook central. Why do you say that? Its an amusing mix of ignorance and plain kookiness I especially liked the claim that the Vatican bank had been secretly controlling the world since the time of Julius Caesar who of course died in 44 BC. Forward looking bunch, those Romans. Not as much so as the Egyptians and the other highly advanced civilizations that built the geometrically perfect, astronomically accurate pyramids across the world as warning signs for the generation of today.- William Shatner of Star Trek told me that the Martians built them. Maybe they did. It wasn't a bunch of Chinese, Aztecs, Egyptians or, for that matter, anyone today that could build, much less build in the constraints of time that occurred, the pyramids of subject. |
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Tom wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT), LIBERATOR wrote: On Oct 8, 2:58 pm, Tom wrote: On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:33:02 -0700, Steve Hix wrote: In article , "Keith Willshaw" wrote: Tom wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:31:48 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote: Quaalude wrote: https://www.divinecosmos.com/start-h...dergroundbases Ah the website of kook central. Why do you say that? Its an amusing mix of ignorance and plain kookiness I especially liked the claim that the Vatican bank had been secretly controlling the world since the time of Julius Caesar who of course died in 44 BC. Forward looking bunch, those Romans. Not as much so as the Egyptians and the other highly advanced civilizations that built the geometrically perfect, astronomically accurate pyramids across the world as warning signs for the generation of today.- William Shatner of Star Trek told me that the Martians built them. Maybe they did. It wasn't a bunch of Chinese, Aztecs, Egyptians or, for that matter, anyone today that could build, much less build in the constraints of time that occurred, the pyramids of subject. Except for the minor problem that we know that the blocks of stone used to build the pyramids were worked with stone and copper tools. Moreover we know from the excavations of the villages that they lived in that the pyramid builders were were organized into work groups 1,000 strong with names such as the 'Friends of Menkaure' and the 'Drunkards of Menkaure' We have the records that show the daily ration for a labourer was ten loaves and a measure of beer. Recall that many of these were married men with families so these settlements were actually quite large towns with a population of better than 20,000 with their own temples, breweries , bakeries etc. Why did these 'alien' builders live on bread and beer in wooden huts and build the pyramids with stone tools ? Keith |
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On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:30:00 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
Maybe they did. It wasn't a bunch of Chinese, Aztecs, Egyptians or, for that matter, anyone today that could build, much less build in the constraints of time that occurred, the pyramids of subject. Except for the minor problem that we know that the blocks of stone used to build the pyramids were worked with stone and copper tools. In fact attempts have been made to prove that the pyramid could be constructed using the known ancient Egyptian tools and methods. Egyptologist Mark Lehner has made an attempt with a large group of people but failed to even create a 6 m scale model of the pyramid. A Japanese team funded by Nissan made another attempt to create an 18 m high scale model using the same primitive ancient Egyptian tools such as chisels and hammers. The once so proud Japanese team returned home disillusioned and embarrassed, since they had to use jackhammers to cut the hard stone, only small blocks were carved from the quarry. We call people who are stuck in the Age Of Pyramid Stupidity "pyramidiots". If the (pyramid) point fits, wear it. -- Thor Kuntelin http://www.anta.com/ |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:36:39 -0400, Thor Kuntelin wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:30:00 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote: Maybe they did. It wasn't a bunch of Chinese, Aztecs, Egyptians or, for that matter, anyone today that could build, much less build in the constraints of time that occurred, the pyramids of subject. Except for the minor problem that we know that the blocks of stone used to build the pyramids were worked with stone and copper tools. In fact attempts have been made to prove that the pyramid could be constructed using the known ancient Egyptian tools and methods. Egyptologist Mark Lehner has made an attempt with a large group of people but failed to even create a 6 m scale model of the pyramid. A Japanese team funded by Nissan made another attempt to create an 18 m high scale model using the same primitive ancient Egyptian tools such as chisels and hammers. The once so proud Japanese team returned home disillusioned and embarrassed, since they had to use jackhammers to cut the hard stone, only small blocks were carved from the quarry. It's so highly implausible to not be discussible. We call people who are stuck in the Age Of Pyramid Stupidity "pyramidiots". If the (pyramid) point fits, wear it. rofl Pyramidiots fail to see that these "primitive" stone and chisel users were somehow master mathematicians with highly advanced geometrical capabilities. To wit: The mathematic value of Pi defines the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle found in the pyramid math. pi can be found taking twice the base length of the pyramid divided by its height: pi = 2 * 440/280 = 880/280 = 22/7 approximating pi = 3.14159. Perhaps pi was never specifically calculated, but its value became incorporated to a very high degree of accuracy for and by future generations to discover. Of course, after "chiseling" to perfection the blocks of granite (nary a human hair can fit in a joint), they would wipe of their sweat, take a dip in the Nile and resume mathematical excellence. Of course. |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:43:56 -0400, Tom wrote:
rofl Pyramidiots fail to see that these "primitive" stone and chisel users were somehow master mathematicians with highly advanced geometrical capabilities. To wit: The mathematic value of Pi defines the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle found in the pyramid math. pi can be found taking twice the base length of the pyramid divided by its height: pi = 2 * 440/280 = 880/280 = 22/7 approximating pi = 3.14159. Perhaps pi was never specifically calculated, but its value became incorporated to a very high degree of accuracy for and by future generations to discover. Of course, after "chiseling" to perfection the blocks of granite (nary a human hair can fit in a joint), they would wipe of their sweat, take a dip in the Nile and resume mathematical excellence. Of course. One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the King¢s Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a /single block of extremely hard granite/ struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box. It was not a serious suggestion as to the method actually used but simply his way of expressing the *impossibility* of creating that artifact using nineteenth century technology. It is still a difficult challenge, even with twentieth century technology. And yet we are supposed to believe that Khufu achieved this at a time when the Egyptians possessed only the most basic copper hand tools? Or well before hand tools were even used? -- Thor Kuntelin http://www.anta.com/ |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:00:22 -0400, Thor Kuntelin wrote:
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:43:56 -0400, Tom wrote: rofl Pyramidiots fail to see that these "primitive" stone and chisel users were somehow master mathematicians with highly advanced geometrical capabilities. To wit: The mathematic value of Pi defines the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle found in the pyramid math. pi can be found taking twice the base length of the pyramid divided by its height: pi = 2 * 440/280 = 880/280 = 22/7 approximating pi = 3.14159. Perhaps pi was never specifically calculated, but its value became incorporated to a very high degree of accuracy for and by future generations to discover. Of course, after "chiseling" to perfection the blocks of granite (nary a human hair can fit in a joint), they would wipe of their sweat, take a dip in the Nile and resume mathematical excellence. Of course. One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the Kingÿs Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a /single block of extremely hard granite/ struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box. It was not a serious suggestion as to the method actually used but simply his way of expressing the *impossibility* of creating that artifact using nineteenth century technology. It is still a difficult challenge, even with twentieth century technology. And yet we are supposed to believe that Khufu achieved this at a time when the Egyptians possessed only the most basic copper hand tools? Or well before hand tools were even used? Also in Egypt tens of thousands of diorite bowls have been found with hieroglyphs engraved. Diorite is one of the hardest stones on the planet, harder than iron, yet intricate inscriptions have been made, not through the use of chisels or scraping but some unknown ancient technology. Whatever it was, was capable of etching lines 1/150th of an inch wide, often in sets of parallel lines separated by a mere 1/30th of an inch. The same kind of workmanship has been found in vases, urns, and other pottery unearthed at the Pyramid of Zoser. Graham Hancock says: ´There was no technology known to have been available to the Ancient Egyptians capable of achieving such results. Nor, for that matter, would any stone-carver today be able to match them, even if he were working with the best tungsten-carbide tools. The implication, therefore, is that an unknown or secret technology had been put to use in Ancient Egypt.¡ |
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Thor Kuntelin wrote:
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:30:00 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote: Maybe they did. It wasn't a bunch of Chinese, Aztecs, Egyptians or, for that matter, anyone today that could build, much less build in the constraints of time that occurred, the pyramids of subject. Except for the minor problem that we know that the blocks of stone used to build the pyramids were worked with stone and copper tools. In fact attempts have been made to prove that the pyramid could be constructed using the known ancient Egyptian tools and methods. Egyptologist Mark Lehner has made an attempt with a large group of people but failed to even create a 6 m scale model of the pyramid. A Japanese team funded by Nissan made another attempt to create an 18 m high scale model using the same primitive ancient Egyptian tools such as chisels and hammers. The once so proud Japanese team returned home disillusioned and embarrassed, since they had to use jackhammers to cut the hard stone, only small blocks were carved from the quarry. On the other hand Denys Stocks successfully showed that the stone can indeed be worked using copper tools and quartz sand. The sand lies between the tool and the stone block and does the cutting nicely. Sand is not exactly rare in Egypt. see Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology: Stoneworking Technology in Ancient Egypt Denys A. Stocks Keith |
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On 12/10/2011 6:59 a.m., Keith Willshaw wrote:
On the other hand Denys Stocks successfully showed that the stone can indeed be worked using copper tools and quartz sand. The sand lies between the tool and the stone block and does the cutting nicely. Sand is not exactly rare in Egypt. see Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology: Stoneworking Technology in Ancient Egypt Denys A. Stocks Hey. No fair using facts and evidence against kookdom |
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george152 wrote:
On 12/10/2011 6:59 a.m., Keith Willshaw wrote: On the other hand Denys Stocks successfully showed that the stone can indeed be worked using copper tools and quartz sand. The sand lies between the tool and the stone block and does the cutting nicely. Sand is not exactly rare in Egypt. see Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology: Stoneworking Technology in Ancient Egypt Denys A. Stocks Hey. No fair using facts and evidence against kookdom It doesn't matter, they never actually pay attention to anyone else. Keith |
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