Flarm with Firmware 1.20 update

On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM
also has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and
ADS-B capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box,
with the data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for some reference.
I'll give your link a critical read and see if it's right for me.

I would like to see some installations.


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
...
On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM also
has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and ADS-B
capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box, with the
data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email
me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

From the website Eric posted: "If you add a Mode S transponder with 1090-ES
(also called ADS-B-Out) to a PowerFLARM, for example the Trig TT21, you can
have a complete ADS-B in your cockpit now; and a collision avoidance system
specifically suited to the very particular situations unique to gliders such
as thermalling, gaggles, contests, etc."

NOW, you've got my attention! Still, I have to see if it can be installed
in a way I can live with. BTW, I have a Trig TT22 installed.


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for some
reference. I'll give your link a critical read and see if it's right for
me.

I would like to see some installations.


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
...
On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM
also has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and
ADS-B capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box,
with the data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email
me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

Hi Dan,

Here are installation pictures from Uvalde.

http://soaringcafe.com/2011/08/power...t-uvaldeglide/

here is a picture from a Lak17 - the unit is mounted on the side of the
pedestal

http://soaringcafe.wpengine.netdna-c...s/DSC_8108.JPG

I tried fitting the PowerFlarm on top of the glare shhield in my SZD-55,
I didn't like it so I made a "prototype" that would attach to the side
of the pedestal. It worked out well, it was in my line of sight but
still unobtrusive. The mount came out bulkier than I wanted so I was
planing on improving it this winter, I have since sold the glider and
have to figure out how to mount it in the new bird. Here are the
pictures from the 55 installation

http://www.silentflight.ca/index.php..._itemId= 2491

Luke


On 01/28/2012 8:27 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
From the website Eric posted: "If you add a Mode S transponder with
1090-ES (also called ADS-B-Out) to a PowerFLARM, for example the Trig
TT21, you can have a complete ADS-B in your cockpit now; and a collision
avoidance system specifically suited to the very particular situations
unique to gliders such as thermalling, gaggles, contests, etc."

NOW, you've got my attention! Still, I have to see if it can be
installed in a way I can live with. BTW, I have a Trig TT22 installed.


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for some
reference. I'll give your link a critical read and see if it's right
for me.

I would like to see some installations.


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
...
On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM
also has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and
ADS-B capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box,
with the data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

Thanks, Luke and Dave

I'm still thinking this over and trying to minimize clutter in my cockpit.
Currently the only thing appended to the panel is an Android on a flex
mount. If there is, indeed, a blind mount box which can be interfaced via
Bluetooth to the Android (XCSoar has configuration pages for Flarm), then I
could hopefully have the alerts displayed on XCSoar. I'd then have a clean
panel with no obstructions to outside scan.

I would hope this blind mounted box (brick?) could be had without having to
purchase a display, which I wouldn't need.

Maybe I can borrow a flarm for a day and pair it with my Android and see how
it works. That would make deciding easier.


"Luke" wrote in message
...
Hi Dan,

Here are installation pictures from Uvalde.

http://soaringcafe.com/2011/08/power...t-uvaldeglide/

here is a picture from a Lak17 - the unit is mounted on the side of the
pedestal

http://soaringcafe.wpengine.netdna-c...s/DSC_8108.JPG

I tried fitting the PowerFlarm on top of the glare shhield in my SZD-55, I
didn't like it so I made a "prototype" that would attach to the side of
the pedestal. It worked out well, it was in my line of sight but still
unobtrusive. The mount came out bulkier than I wanted so I was planing on
improving it this winter, I have since sold the glider and have to figure
out how to mount it in the new bird. Here are the pictures from the 55
installation

http://www.silentflight.ca/index.php..._itemId= 2491

Luke


On 01/28/2012 8:27 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
From the website Eric posted: "If you add a Mode S transponder with
1090-ES (also called ADS-B-Out) to a PowerFLARM, for example the Trig
TT21, you can have a complete ADS-B in your cockpit now; and a collision
avoidance system specifically suited to the very particular situations
unique to gliders such as thermalling, gaggles, contests, etc."

NOW, you've got my attention! Still, I have to see if it can be
installed in a way I can live with. BTW, I have a Trig TT22 installed.


"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for some
reference. I'll give your link a critical read and see if it's right
for me.

I would like to see some installations.


"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
...
On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't
depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM
also has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and
ADS-B capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box,
with the data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl

On Jan 30, 5:31*pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
Thanks, Luke and Dave

I'm still thinking this over and trying to minimize clutter in my cockpit..
Currently the only thing appended to the panel is an Android on a flex
mount. *If there is, indeed, a blind mount box which can be interfaced via
Bluetooth to the Android (XCSoar has configuration pages for Flarm), then I
could hopefully have the alerts displayed on XCSoar. *I'd then have a clean
panel with no obstructions to outside scan.

I would hope this blind mounted box (brick?) could be had without having to
purchase a display, which I wouldn't need.

Maybe I can borrow a flarm for a day and pair it with my Android and see how
it works. *That would make deciding easier.

"Luke" wrote in message

...



Hi Dan,

Here are installation pictures from Uvalde.

http://soaringcafe.com/2011/08/power...t-uvaldeglide/

here is a picture from a Lak17 - the unit is mounted on the side of the
pedestal

http://soaringcafe.wpengine.netdna-c...allery/powerfl...

I tried fitting the PowerFlarm on top of the glare shhield in my SZD-55, I
didn't like it so I made a "prototype" that would attach to the side of
the pedestal. *It worked out well, it was in my line of sight but still
unobtrusive. *The mount came out bulkier than I wanted so I was planing on
improving it this winter, I have since sold the glider and have to figure
out how to mount it in the new bird. *Here are the pictures from the 55
installation

http://www.silentflight.ca/index.php...2&Itemid=27&g2...

Luke

On 01/28/2012 8:27 PM, Dan Marotta wrote:
*From the website Eric posted: "If you add a Mode S transponder with
1090-ES (also called ADS-B-Out) to a PowerFLARM, for example the Trig
TT21, you can have a complete ADS-B in your cockpit now; and a collision
avoidance system specifically suited to the very particular situations
unique to gliders such as thermalling, gaggles, contests, etc."

NOW, you've got my attention! Still, I have to see if it can be
installed in a way I can live with. BTW, I have a Trig TT22 installed.

"Dan Marotta" wrote in message
...
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been looking for some
reference. I'll give your link a critical read and see if it's right
for me.

I would like to see some installations.

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
...
On 1/26/2012 8:37 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
Maybe I'll change my opinion when there's something that doesn't
depend
on equipment not likely to ever appear in the vast majority of other
aircraft, ADS-B, perhaps. When the airlines and general aviation crowd
install FLARM, come talk to me about it.

Possibly there is some communication issue he the US pilots are
actually talking about PowerFLARM, not the original FLARM. PowerFLARM
also has PCAS capability to detect transponder equipped aircraft, and
ADS-B capability to detect aircraft so equipped. It's all in one box,
with the data merged onto one screen.

If you haven't already read this article, now would be good time:

http://www.gliderpilot.org/Flarm

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There are few things to consider for the non dedicated display
approach:
1 - Is the brick includes the speaker? If not, your PDA/PNA/Tablet
audio may not be nearly as good in catching your attention as the
Flarm alarm speaker.
2 - Unless your software provides a Flarm radar display (XCSoar does),
you may or may not get usable alerts from a standard moving map mode
depend on your zoom level and display orientation (track up vs north
up). And if your software includes Flarm radar, keep in mind that it
will take part of your screen.
3 - It is not clear to me if PCAS alert functionality will be provided
to flight computers since this may clutter the display too much.
4 - My understanding is that flarm support in flight computers was not
designed to be a substitute to Flarm display, only to provide
additional information, such as where your buddies are and how they
doing.

Ramy

Ramy

On Jan 30, 7:31*pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
Thanks, Luke and Dave

I'm still thinking this over and trying to minimize clutter in my cockpit..
Currently the only thing appended to the panel is an Android on a flex
mount. *If there is, indeed, a blind mount box which can be interfaced via
Bluetooth to the Android (XCSoar has configuration pages for Flarm), then I
could hopefully have the alerts displayed on XCSoar. *I'd then have a clean
panel with no obstructions to outside scan.

I would hope this blind mounted box (brick?) could be had without having to
purchase a display, which I wouldn't need.

Dan, the quick answer is no, you have to have the PowerFLARM brick
display on your panel; it has the controls for the device on it.
Please spend some time on Paul Remde's site and learn more about the
device. You can send data to your droid so it will show FLARM traffic
on the moving map, but it probably doesn't send Mode S, ADS-B, or Mode
A/C warnings.

I have an LS6 with a small panel - and I can find a place for the
small PF display. I'll even cover my backup vario and compass if
necessary - it's that much more important, IMHO. Don't know what kind
of glider you fly, but seriously doubt there isn't a good place to
mount it.

Since you have already spent the $3K for your Trig (nice!), as others
have said the PowerFLARM makes the perfect complement in that it shows
YOU the traffic around you, including Joe Dentist in his Cirrus,
squawking 1200 VFR and not talking to anybody, heads down playing with
his shiny toys. It's only a big sky until the moment someone hits
you....

Cheers,

Kirk
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On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:49:08 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
but it [FLARM] probably doesn't send Mode S, ADS-B, or Mode
A/C warnings.

FLARM will send this info in NMEA data stream in an upcoming
release, and likely all downstream devices will display.
For example, ILEC SN10 will have a SW update to display
this info...

You still *may* want a cockpit-accessible control for FLARM.

Hope that helps,
Best Regards, Dave

I've owned two(!) LS-6s, great ships with small panels, but that was before
all these new devices came on the market. I currently fly a LAK-17a which
has a similarly small panel, actually, maybe a tiny bit larger, but it's
fully populated and I won't hang anything off the side or on top.

Now if anyone wants to buy an electric turn indicator (practically new,
57mm) or a PZL mechanical vario (80mm), I could free up some space. But
then I have to ask: Are any models of Flarm configured so that they can be
fitted to one of these holes?

I'll spend some time on Paul's site and the Flarm site and try to figure a
way to do what I'd like to do.


"kirk.stant" wrote in message
...
On Jan 30, 7:31 pm, "Dan Marotta" wrote:
Thanks, Luke and Dave

I'm still thinking this over and trying to minimize clutter in my cockpit.
Currently the only thing appended to the panel is an Android on a flex
mount. If there is, indeed, a blind mount box which can be interfaced via
Bluetooth to the Android (XCSoar has configuration pages for Flarm), then
I
could hopefully have the alerts displayed on XCSoar. I'd then have a clean
panel with no obstructions to outside scan.

I would hope this blind mounted box (brick?) could be had without having
to
purchase a display, which I wouldn't need.

Dan, the quick answer is no, you have to have the PowerFLARM brick
display on your panel; it has the controls for the device on it.
Please spend some time on Paul Remde's site and learn more about the
device. You can send data to your droid so it will show FLARM traffic
on the moving map, but it probably doesn't send Mode S, ADS-B, or Mode
A/C warnings.

I have an LS6 with a small panel - and I can find a place for the
small PF display. I'll even cover my backup vario and compass if
necessary - it's that much more important, IMHO. Don't know what kind
of glider you fly, but seriously doubt there isn't a good place to
mount it.

Since you have already spent the $3K for your Trig (nice!), as others
have said the PowerFLARM makes the perfect complement in that it shows
YOU the traffic around you, including Joe Dentist in his Cirrus,
squawking 1200 VFR and not talking to anybody, heads down playing with
his shiny toys. It's only a big sky until the moment someone hits
you....

Cheers,

Kirk
66