New Butterfly Vario

On Feb 13, 6:17*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
Sure, a number of them, but I won't.
The rules recommendation to set start cylinder top
WELL BELOW CLOUDBASE has helped (when CDs have
followed the recommendation)...

If we're talking about pilots willfully flying into the edges of
clouds, then it doesn't seem like adding AHs is going to contribute to
safety. Maybe you see it differently?

-Evan Ludeman / T8

I am just passing along observations.
Remember, the rule was created (at least) partly to reduce the temptation...
FWIW, Best Regards, Dave

On Feb 13, 4:08*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
I am just passing along observations.
Remember, the rule was created (at least) partly to reduce the temptation....
FWIW, Best Regards, Dave

Sorry, I realize I'm breaking my word about shutting up - but was that
rule created *before* the new start-cylinder rules that require you to
be below start cylinder height for 2 minutes prior to going through
the gate?

Because with the newer start-cylinder rules in place, a lot of these
concerns go away.

--Noel
(OK, really this time, I'll be quiet for a bit!)

On Feb 13, 4:51*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
On Feb 13, 4:08*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:

I am just passing along observations.
Remember, the rule was created (at least) partly to reduce the temptation...
FWIW, Best Regards, Dave

Sorry, I realize I'm breaking my word about shutting up - but was that
rule created *before* the new start-cylinder rules that require you to
be below start cylinder height for 2 minutes prior to going through
the gate?

Because with the newer start-cylinder rules in place, a lot of these
concerns go away.

--Noel
(OK, really this time, I'll be quiet for a bit!)

it's easier if you just say "I won't post anymore" to yourself rather
than post it, how do I know this......
besides, this is a good thread with a lot of information........if the
internet was around in it's current form during the early day's of GPS
I bet things would have sounded very similar.

Brad

Sure the rule was created way back, so ?
IFF the start cylinder top is set above cloudbase,
what do you think happens ?
Hope that makes sense !

On Feb 13, 7:51*pm, "noel.wade" wrote:
On Feb 13, 4:08*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:

I am just passing along observations.
Remember, the rule was created (at least) partly to reduce the temptation...
FWIW, Best Regards, Dave

Sorry, I realize I'm breaking my word about shutting up - but was that
rule created *before* the new start-cylinder rules that require you to
be below start cylinder height for 2 minutes prior to going through
the gate?

Because with the newer start-cylinder rules in place, a lot of these
concerns go away.

--Noel
(OK, really this time, I'll be quiet for a bit!)

2 minute rule has been with us since the beginning of GPS start.

Problems arise when top of lift is 5500 and top of gate is 6000 and
guys poke up into the murk.

CDs don't always follow recommended practice....

Nav devices without gyros probably are never going to constitute
instruments that "permit flight without reference to ground". GPS
plus ipaq or similar probably okay no matter what software. I don't
speak for the RC, but I think this is a pretty defensible position.
I'm planning on using XCSoar in comps in April & May.

-Evan Ludeman / T8

On 2/13/2012 4:51 PM, noel.wade wrote:
On Feb 13, 4:08 pm, Dave wrote:
I am just passing along observations.
Remember, the rule was created (at least) partly to reduce the temptation...
FWIW, Best Regards, Dave

Sorry, I realize I'm breaking my word about shutting up - but was that
rule created *before* the new start-cylinder rules that require you to
be below start cylinder height for 2 minutes prior to going through
the gate?

Because with the newer start-cylinder rules in place, a lot of these
concerns go away.

The rule against cloud-flying instruments has been in force for decades.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)