Question for US Rules committee on AH capability within LX NAV computers?

Sorry Don - try again. Following is quoted directly from Annex A of the Sporting Code covering rules for World and Continental Championships. It's terribly inconvenient for your argument:

4.1.2 Each competing sailplane shall be flown within the limitations of its Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly and:
a. Must have been issued a valid Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly not excluding competitions.
b. Shall be made available to the Organisers at least 72 hours before the
briefing on the first championship day for an acceptance check in the
configuration in which it will be flown. This configuration shall be kept
unchanged during the whole competition. Exception: In the Open Class only it
is allowed to change complete wing panels and/or winglets. No instruments
permitting pilots to fly without visual reference to the ground may be carried
on board, even if made unserviceable. The Organisers may specify
instruments covered by this rule in their Local Procedures.
..


On Friday, April 6, 2012 6:42:21 PM UTC-4, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 18:35 06 April 2012, John Godfrey QT wrote:


With all due respect, the RC has not "decided" to restrict anything.
What
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the RC has done is provide a way for instrument manufacturers and
software
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developers who choose to include AH capability in their product to remain
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ompliant with a very long standing (decades) FAI rule.

QT
Rules Committee

It is not an FAI Rule. Nothing to prevent the fitting or indeed use of AH
in civilised parts of the world. By all means restrict the members in your
own country if that is your wish but accept that it is totally your
responsibility not the FAI.

At 01:31 07 April 2012, Papa3 wrote:
Sorry Don - try again. Following is quoted directly from Annex A of the
Sporting Code covering rules for World and Continental Championships.
It's
terribly inconvenient for your argument:

4.1.2 Each competing sailplane shall be flown within the limitations of
its
Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly and:
a. Must have been issued a valid Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit
to
Fly not excluding competitions.
b. Shall be made available to the Organisers at least 72 hours before the
briefing on the first championship day for an acceptance check in the
configuration in which it will be flown. This configuration shall be kept
unchanged during the whole competition. Exception: In the Open Class only
it
is allowed to change complete wing panels and/or winglets. No instruments
permitting pilots to fly without visual reference to the ground may be
carried
on board, even if made unserviceable. The Organisers may specify
instruments covered by this rule in their Local Procedures.
..

Well that has to be the most ludicrous restriction I have ever had the
misfortune to read. You have to be a real moron to come up with something
like that, but why am I surprised. Just because an instrument is fitted
does not mean it has to be used and how in the name of all that is holy can
you police it when any iPhone has a app that will do the job? You can by
the bits from Radio Shack or any model shop to provide the instrument and
unless you are going to search every pilot before they get in the cockpit
and then seal them in you have no chance. By all means have a no cloud
flying restriction if you are that much of a woos but not allow the
instrument, just plain crazy.
You have to wonder at a system of rules that allows you to carry your Sig
Sauer in the cockpit but not a useful instrument, it could only happen in
one place in the world and that the lord it is not here. It is what we have
come to expect from our former disobedient and rebellious colony.

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:36:41 PM UTC-5, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 01:31 07 April 2012, Papa3 wrote:
Sorry Don - try again. Following is quoted directly from Annex A of the
Sporting Code covering rules for World and Continental Championships.
It's
terribly inconvenient for your argument:

4.1.2 Each competing sailplane shall be flown within the limitations of
its
Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly and:
a. Must have been issued a valid Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit
to
Fly not excluding competitions.
b. Shall be made available to the Organisers at least 72 hours before the
briefing on the first championship day for an acceptance check in the
configuration in which it will be flown. This configuration shall be kept
unchanged during the whole competition. Exception: In the Open Class only
it
is allowed to change complete wing panels and/or winglets. No instruments
permitting pilots to fly without visual reference to the ground may be
carried
on board, even if made unserviceable. The Organisers may specify
instruments covered by this rule in their Local Procedures.
..

Well that has to be the most ludicrous restriction I have ever had the
misfortune to read. You have to be a real moron to come up with something
like that, but why am I surprised. Just because an instrument is fitted
does not mean it has to be used and how in the name of all that is holy can
you police it when any iPhone has a app that will do the job? You can by
the bits from Radio Shack or any model shop to provide the instrument and
unless you are going to search every pilot before they get in the cockpit
and then seal them in you have no chance. By all means have a no cloud
flying restriction if you are that much of a woos but not allow the
instrument, just plain crazy.
You have to wonder at a system of rules that allows you to carry your Sig
Sauer in the cockpit but not a useful instrument, it could only happen in
one place in the world and that the lord it is not here. It is what we have
come to expect from our former disobedient and rebellious colony.

that is the FAI rule for world and continental championships.

On Saturday, April 7, 2012 1:36:41 PM UTC-4, Don Johnstone wrote:
At 01:31 07 April 2012, Papa3 wrote:
Sorry Don - try again. Following is quoted directly from Annex A of the
Sporting Code covering rules for World and Continental Championships.
It's
terribly inconvenient for your argument:

4.1.2 Each competing sailplane shall be flown within the limitations of
its
Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit to Fly and:
a. Must have been issued a valid Certificate of Airworthiness or Permit
to
Fly not excluding competitions.
b. Shall be made available to the Organisers at least 72 hours before the
briefing on the first championship day for an acceptance check in the
configuration in which it will be flown. This configuration shall be kept
unchanged during the whole competition. Exception: In the Open Class only
it
is allowed to change complete wing panels and/or winglets. No instruments
permitting pilots to fly without visual reference to the ground may be
carried
on board, even if made unserviceable. The Organisers may specify
instruments covered by this rule in their Local Procedures.
..

Well that has to be the most ludicrous restriction I have ever had the
misfortune to read. You have to be a real moron to come up with something
like that, but why am I surprised. Just because an instrument is fitted
does not mean it has to be used and how in the name of all that is holy can
you police it when any iPhone has a app that will do the job? You can by
the bits from Radio Shack or any model shop to provide the instrument and
unless you are going to search every pilot before they get in the cockpit
and then seal them in you have no chance. By all means have a no cloud
flying restriction if you are that much of a woos but not allow the
instrument, just plain crazy.
You have to wonder at a system of rules that allows you to carry your Sig
Sauer in the cockpit but not a useful instrument, it could only happen in
one place in the world and that the lord it is not here. It is what we have
come to expect from our former disobedient and rebellious colony.

Don - Sporting Code = FAI = International Rules. Largely written and influenced by the former Colonial Powers.