best US jet vs Russian jets?

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Arafat has no problem winning
elections

Neither did Stalin.

That's rather the point...


Stalin-Putin, Putin-Stalin. The more things change, the more they stay the
same.

Where, pray tell, are the similarities? They're both Russian.... ummm.
That's about it I guess!

Stalin reputedly killed about 60 people for every hour he was alive - I'm
hoping Putin's tally is somewhat less... Stalin had an ice axe put though
Trotsky in Mexico - what's Putin been up to?!


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Arafat has no problem winning
elections

Neither did Stalin.

That's rather the point...


Stalin-Putin, Putin-Stalin. The more things change, the more they stay
the
same.

Where, pray tell, are the similarities? They're both Russian.... ummm.
That's about it I guess!


Actually Stalin was Georgian.

Stalin reputedly killed about 60 people for every hour he was alive - I'm
hoping Putin's tally is somewhat less... Stalin had an ice axe put though
Trotsky in Mexico - what's Putin been up to?!


It looks like Putin will run unpposed. I guess most candiadates realized the
elction is rigged so why bother. All the radio and TV stations are ordered
to play only pro-Putin Propaganda.
Putin's files will be divulged in about 50 years or so.


--
William Black
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Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government

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i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.



okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

I don't know.
Why don't you try the experiment and tell us the result


His cloning machine isn't working since he ran out of viagra.

well, let's say i could whup you in a dogfight.

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Do you really think that Iraq is going to be in the market for
military, fighter, jets in the near future?


1-3 years probably not beyond that definitely.

I wonder if they'll get to pick what they want...

First Iraqis will have to choose a political solution. Otherwise they
will
end up standing in a line killing each other, until a political solution
can
be reached.

First you have to define the threat

Israel
Jordan
Syria
Turkey
Iran
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia

Of these Syria and Iran are probably the most serious.

Once you determine what you need to defend against the threat you have to
determine the budget.

My guess is that it will be a very long time before Iraq buys jet fighters.

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Only Keith, ...
Do you really think that Iraq is going to be in the market for
military, fighter, jets in the near future?


1-3 years probably not beyond that definitely.

I wonder if they'll get to pick what they want...

First Iraqis will have to choose a political solution. Otherwise they
will
end up standing in a line killing each other, until a political solution
can
be reached.

First you have to define the threat

Israel
Jordan
Syria
Turkey
Iran
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia

Of these Syria and Iran are probably the most serious.

Once you determine what you need to defend against the threat you have to
determine the budget.

My guess is that it will be a very long time before Iraq buys jet
fighters.

Perhaps some Italian completed F-35s.

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In article ,
ville terminale wrote:


i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.

okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones in
fact. which would win?

I don't know.
Why don't you try the experiment and tell us the result


His cloning machine isn't working since he ran out of viagra.

well, let's say i could whup you in a dogfight.

What breed of dog are you and which do you think fits Stinky?

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ville terminale wrote:
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In article ,
ville terminale wrote:

i know US jet is much better. how many of best russian jets could
one
US jet take on at once? i'll bet the best US jet can shoot down at
least 5 of russia's best jets before going down.

The quality of the pilot is much more important than the quality
of the fighter. The nature of the engagement is also more important
than the quality of the fighter. It may well make sense to say that
one fighter is better than another, but quantifying it with
expected loss ratios is pointless.



okay, what if we have two identical pilots with same skills. clones
in
fact. which would win?

I don't know.
Why don't you try the experiment and tell us the result


His cloning machine isn't working since he ran out of viagra.

well, let's say i could whup you in a dogfight.

I don't fight dogs. I just call the humane society and they will come and
throw a net over you and throw you into the back of the truck and then put
you up for adoption.

Besides, you will be dead before you get within 20 miles. Silly Russians
talk about how good they are at close in fighting. Too bad airwars are no
longer fought like that.

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"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message
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Only Keith, ...
Do you really think that Iraq is going to be in the market for
military, fighter, jets in the near future?


1-3 years probably not beyond that definitely.

I wonder if they'll get to pick what they want...

First Iraqis will have to choose a political solution. Otherwise they
will
end up standing in a line killing each other, until a political solution
can
be reached.

First you have to define the threat

Israel - a democratic Iraq presents no threat to Israel and vice versa.
Jordan - No threat. Jordan is by no means beligerant...to anybody.
Syria - possible threat, leaky borders letting all sorts of riff-raff into
Iraq but not a need for fighter jets.
Turkey - possible incursion by Turkish military "controlling" the Kurds.
Iran - No threat. Iran will be dealing with internal crisises for some
time.
Kuwait - No threat.
Saudi Arabia - covert threat due to ongoing funding of militant Islamic
orgs., not an easy mark for air combat.

Of these Syria and Iran are probably the most serious.

Once you determine what you need to defend against the threat you have to
determine the budget.

My guess is that it will be a very long time before Iraq buys jet
fighters.

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Arafat has no problem winning
elections

Neither did Stalin.

That's rather the point...


Stalin-Putin, Putin-Stalin. The more things change, the more they stay
the
same.

Where, pray tell, are the similarities? They're both Russian.... ummm.
That's about it I guess!


Actually Stalin was Georgian.

Much of a muchness! Anyway, was it not the case that Stalin considered
himself a Russian over being a Georgian?

Stalin reputedly killed about 60 people for every hour he was alive -
I'm
hoping Putin's tally is somewhat less... Stalin had an ice axe put
though
Trotsky in Mexico - what's Putin been up to?!


It looks like Putin will run unpposed. I guess most candiadates realized
the
elction is rigged so why bother. All the radio and TV stations are ordered
to play only pro-Putin Propaganda.
Putin's files will be divulged in about 50 years or so.

I doesn't seem Putin will run unopposed, and I find it hard to believe that
a strong willed and principled candidate will just drop from the contest
(without some gentle persuasion!). This said, I saw an article in The Times
(UK) today regarding his control of the media - I had no idea that was the
case. However, Putin doesn't seem to be purging away with Stalin's gusto; I
guess he's got a lot of catching up to do.



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William Black
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Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:15:59 -0000, "Jim Doyle"
wrote:

Stalin-Putin, Putin-Stalin. The more things change, the more they stay the
same.

Where, pray tell, are the similarities? They're both Russian.... ummm.
That's about it I guess!

While I don't know about Putin's ancestry, Stalin wasn't Russian, he
was Georgian (originally named Djugashvili or something like that).