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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

Neither stolen nor given, but bought.

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.



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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design
for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

Neither stolen nor given, but bought.

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

I thought they were given them rather than any purchase.

The Whittle design was done while he was a serving officer and so any
rights, patents, etc. rest with the Crown.

The UK government of the day didn't make an issue of it, and the person
responsible, the then President of the Board of Trade, is now dead, so we
can't ask him.

I should add that as he went on to become Prime Minister it obviously didn't
do his political career any harm either...

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William Black
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is no basis for a system of government

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

I thought they were given them rather than any purchase.


Incorrect they were sold a number of Nenes and Derwents, RR
and the board of trade were hoping for large orders but the
Soviets simply copied them

The Whittle design was done while he was a serving officer and so any
rights, patents, etc. rest with the Crown.


Incorrect, the initial patents were indeed lodged in 1930 when he was
an RAF officer but they were allowed to lapse in 1936 when
Air Ministry decided NOT to pay the fee of £5 required to renew them

Whittle got permission from the Air Ministry to found a company,
Power Jets which raised further patents under its control and funded
the development that made the engine workable. At this point the
Government stepped in, handed Whittles work and control of the
project to Rolls Royce and nationalised Power Jets leaving Whittle
with nothing.



The UK government of the day didn't make an issue of it, and the person
responsible, the then President of the Board of Trade, is now dead, so
we
can't ask him.


It was the height of the cold war by the time it was realised
what had happened and it was scarcely in the Governments
interest to let the country know the truth by making a fuss.

I should add that as he went on to become Prime Minister it obviously
didn't
do his political career any harm either...


Indeed.

Keith

On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:36:44 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

You don't know what you're talking about. "They" didn't buy any
engines from the Brits. The U.S. was given one Whittle Unit that
wasn't airworthy, which GE modified into a working engine.

This engine powered the Bell Airacomet, but had no further
application. Postwar, a $4 million payment was negotiated with the
British government in settlement. The British govt awarded Whittle
100,000 quid and a knighthood, but he was sufficiently annoyed by the
whole thing that he relocated to the United States, where he was
better appreciated (and paid).

www.warbirdforum.com/whittle.htm

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:36:44 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
wrote:

No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

You don't know what you're talking about. "They" didn't buy any
engines from the Brits. The U.S. was given one Whittle Unit that
wasn't airworthy, which GE modified into a working engine.


He was talking about the Soviets.

This engine powered the Bell Airacomet, but had no further
application.

Hardly, Whittle derived engines powered the P-80 amongst other aircraft

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng44.htm

Postwar, a $4 million payment was negotiated with the
British government in settlement. The British govt awarded Whittle
100,000 quid and a knighthood, but he was sufficiently annoyed by the
whole thing that he relocated to the United States, where he was
better appreciated (and paid).


He moved to the USA in 1976 , this was almost 30 years later.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:36:44 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
wrote:

No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

You don't know what you're talking about. "They" didn't buy any
engines from the Brits. The U.S. was given one Whittle Unit that
wasn't airworthy, which GE modified into a working engine.


He was talking about the Soviets.

This engine powered the Bell Airacomet, but had no further
application.

Hardly, Whittle derived engines powered the P-80 amongst other aircraft

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/engines/eng44.htm

Postwar, a $4 million payment was negotiated with the
British government in settlement. The British govt awarded Whittle
100,000 quid and a knighthood, but he was sufficiently annoyed by the
whole thing that he relocated to the United States, where he was
better appreciated (and paid).


He moved to the USA in 1976 , this was almost 30 years later.

Keith



During the war and in the postwar era he spent much of his time consulting
and working in the United States, even though his home of record was in
Britain. He finally changed that final detail with his divorce.