Texas Tragedy Info?

Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! This is the way to do it. When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote:
Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! This is the way to do it. When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?

On Jun 19, 8:25*pm, Ben Brand wrote:
At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote: Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! *This is the way to do it. *When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. *It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?

Some locations.. to save time on an active shared runway.. shared with
powered aircraft. If there are enough people for ground handling, the
pilot will get in and strap in before being pushed to the runway..
leave the tail dolly off for easier ground movement.
So the dolly may or may not be removed before the pilot gets strapped
in.

T

It has not been mentioned (yet), but did the Lark have a CG hook, or a
nose hook?
Things can get out of hand quickly with a CG hook if attention is
diverted.




On Jun 20, 10:17*am, T wrote:
On Jun 19, 8:25*pm, Ben Brand wrote:

At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote: Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! *This is the way to do it. *When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. *It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?

Some locations.. to save time on an active shared runway.. shared with
powered aircraft. If there are enough people for ground handling, the
pilot will get in and strap in before being pushed to the runway..
leave the tail dolly off for easier ground movement.
So the dolly may or may not be removed before the pilot gets strapped
in.

T

On Jun 20, 8:30*am, Hartley Falbaum wrote:
It has not been mentioned (yet), but did the Lark have a CG hook, or a
nose hook?
Things can get out of hand quickly with a CG hook if attention is
diverted.

On Jun 20, 10:17*am, T wrote:







On Jun 19, 8:25*pm, Ben Brand wrote:

At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote: Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! *This is the way to do it. *When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. *It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?

Some locations.. to save time on an active shared runway.. shared with
powered aircraft. If there are enough people for ground handling, the
pilot will get in and strap in before being pushed to the runway..
leave the tail dolly off for easier ground movement.
So the dolly may or may not be removed before the pilot gets strapped
in.

T

AFAIK, all IS28b2 Twin Larks have both a CG and nose hook.

At 14:30 20 June 2012, Hartley Falbaum wrote:
It has not been mentioned (yet), but did the Lark have a CG hook, or a
nose hook?
Things can get out of hand quickly with a CG hook if attention is
diverted.


Based on Serial #71, formerly in use here in WI, the IS28B2 Lark ex-factory
standard equipment included both hooks.


Judy

On Jun 19, 9:25*pm, Ben Brand wrote:
At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote: Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! *This is the way to do it. *When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. *It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?

Many times a glider with pilot in the cockpit must to be pushed onto
the runway to avoid blocking the runway any longer than necessary.
This means the dolly must be left on until the glider is in position
for takeoff then be removed by a crew person. I much prefer this
method since I have generous time to strap in, get comfortable and
prepare the cockpit for takeoff without being rushed but I do need to
see the dolly on the ground.

On 6/19/2012 9:25 PM, Ben Brand wrote:
At 02:30 20 June 2012, Bill D wrote:
Tail dollies and wing wheels, once removed are placed to the side,
forward of the wing tip where the pilot can see it, but far enough
away that the wing runner will not trip over it.

YES! This is the way to do it. When the pilot gets to "Dolly" on the
checklist, a quick look to the side confirms it is off. It helps if
your dolly is a unique color not to be confused with another.

I'm new to gliding so excuse my ignorance, but shouldnt the D(olly) check
be done before you get into the plane or is there no standard on the ABCD
checks?
Rather than checking that the Dolly (or someone elses that looks like
yours) is on the grass to the side it would make more sense that you
confirm, regardless of whos Dolly it is... it isnt attached to the back of
your plane?


Ben,

Excellent question.

Since others have already noted situations - and hence operations - vary
depending on lots of things (e.g. runway[s] layout[s], airfield traffic,
available help, etc., this seems a good place to encourage you to visit other
glider operations every excuse you get. It's fun and you'll learn lots.

You'll definitely see lots of variations on 'things.'

Don't assume different ways of skinning cats are equally good! Keep asking,
"Why?" until your rational sense understands the answers...some of which may
surprise you, and not in good ways. (F'r'example "We've always done it this
way," may be accurate - and simultaneously promote procedurally-based accidents.)

Bob W.