WGC Uvalde: US Team... What Happened????

On Sep 19, 8:28*pm, wrote:
Come on Sean,
You completely miss many of the great points that John made about how important it is to keep contests fun. *They are not all about selection for the world's!!! *You didn't acknowledge his arguments about how the US rules help to make contests more appealing to barely enough contestants to have contests at all. *Were any of these ideas valid?

I also agree that if USA contests started becoming consistent land-out fests that you would see participation drop. *Fine, so we aren't grooming winners for the world's but we are at least still racing. *You are arguing for changing the way we try to swim here and in reality we are just trying to stay afloat!

In my mind the biggest difference is that due to the USA being so large, it takes these kinds of rules changes to attract enough glider pilots to attend any particular contest. *How many of the Europeans drive 1000,2000, even 3000km to attend a contest? You see that all the time here in the USA. *Again, were any of John's points valid?

Thanks Dave for working on the flight analysis. *Can't wait to start reviewing!

Bruno - B4

Right on Sean!

Agree with Sean.
And have big problem with Johns thinking.
It is no fun to fly MAT with one or no TP !
It is no fun to fly TAT with huge circles.
It is not safe to be forced to land at the airport ,
after good finish.
It is no fun to fly without the water.(like would be no fun to fly without ruder)
It is no fun if task is changed 3 times (including after first launch)
It is no fun if task was called in the air by one of competitors.
Those some of our " Better rules" John.
Ryszard Krolikowski

On Sep 19, 11:01*pm, RW wrote:
Agree with Sean.
And have big problem with Johns thinking.
It is no fun to fly MAT with one or no TP !
It is no fun to fly TAT with huge circles.
It is not safe to be forced to land at the airport ,
after good finish.
It is no fun to fly without the water.(like would be no fun to fly without ruder)
It is no fun if task is changed 3 times (including after first launch)
It is no fun if task was called in the air by one of competitors.
Those some of *our " Better rules" John.
Ryszard Krolikowski

None of these are rules. They are CD / task adviser decisions, I
happen to agree on most -- I hate one turn MATs, huge circles and no
water as well. The rules allow long mats, assigned tasks, many small
circles, and water ballast. Tell your CD and task advisers. We can't
ban these things, as there are occasions in which on turn MATs, huge
circles and dry are appropriate. But not nearly as often as they are
called.
I support the ability to change tasks in the air, especially to a
preprinted B task. I'd rather leave the start gaggle go off and do a
it of programming than lose a day, or head off into a thunderstorm
just because we said so. Dave Leonard's report from Uvalde makes it
clear that not beling able to change tasks in the air was the cause of
at least one flight right into a terrible quadrant.
John Cochrane

None of these are rules. They are CD / task adviser decisions,

Our rules allow for all I mentioned.
None of this by IGC rules!
Try to explain to Andreas how we allow total task change in the prestart
gaggle, when we have to program new task from scratch, flying 200ft apart.
Try to make sense when you explain how we fly at(like at Fairfield) contest task with no TPs.
Our rules allow it, IGC dont !
Tell him how you promote safety with our rules setting MAT with few TPs and letting 60 gliders doing laps 100kts heads on just under 50km street for minimum 3 lapses.
Our rules allow it, IGC dont!
Ryszard Krolikowski