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At 16:35 31 October 2012, folken wrote:
On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:00:04 PM UTC+1, Don Johnstone wrote: FLARM is like the flashing blue light and sirens on a police car, it does =20 not in itself provide any protection at all. Both the above rely on the =20 human beings being able to interpret what they see, a flashing light and = or =20 a sound, and take the necessary action.=20 There are those who believe that there is a technology solution which makes looking out less of a priority= .. Nobody, right in their head actually believes that. Nobody that has been in= structed in FLARM usage does believe that. =20 I particularly like the statement that people do not see the other aircra= ft =20 before it hits them, of course they don't, if they saw it the collision =20 would not take place.=20 Which is exactly the situation where FLARM comes in and tells you the pilot= to pay attention and prevent the collision. So these stories will be a thi= ng of the past. Of course FLARM can help, IF it is used as intended and the human bit understands what he is bing told.=20 If you fly in an aircraft where you do not understand what each instrument = on your panel does, and are unfamiliar with the procedures that this entitl= es (for example pulling out right with a imminent head on collision) You do= _not_ belong into this aircraft. These are the very basics. It still relies on good=20 old fashioned lookout. Flarm does not replace the pilot or good airmanship. It augments the pilot'= s senses. =20 It is not unknown for two aircraft hitting each other when under radar =20 control, it is not the technology that is the problem. Accidents happen =20 because we are human, and sometimes fail to do what we should. =20 My comment about FLARM aircraft being involved in collisions was not a =20 critism of FLARM, more a comment that despite FLARM it can still, and wil= l =20 happen.=20 Since flarm doesn't pilot the aircraft for you: of course it can. But a cri= tical situation is=20 1. far less likely to arise.=20 2. The outcome of a critical situation far less likely to cause an accident= .. Statistics from .ch: Note the dip from 2004 onwards. http://www.segelflug.ch/d/6safety/pd...atistik_CH.pdf And i checked the accidents reports from 2007 onwards: There hasn't been a = midair since the introduction of FLARM in Switzerland. (Flarm equipped and = _in working order_ aircraft.) - Folken and 99% of people who enter a retirment home die there, does not mean that retirement homes are dangerous places, just that the statistics are meaningless. In the case you put forward the sample is far too small to draw a meaningful conclusion. There could be other factors at work, like less flying taking place, more conspicuous markings, better understanding by pilots of the problem ad nausea. Better lookout and situational awareness is they key, anyone who thinks otherwise should stay at home in a locked room, they are far too dangerous to be allowed out. |
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On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:00:03 PM UTC-7, Don Johnstone wrote:
and 99% of people who enter a retirment home die there, does not mean that retirement homes are dangerous places, just that the statistics are meaningless. In the case you put forward the sample is far too small to draw a meaningful conclusion. There could be other factors at work, like less flying taking place, more conspicuous markings, better understanding by pilots of the problem ad nausea. Better lookout and situational awareness is they key, anyone who thinks otherwise should stay at home in a locked room, they are far too dangerous to be allowed out. Ad nauseam is the right characterization - this comes across as continual nit-picking and nay-saying in denial of available facts and logic - and in contradiction of some of your own prior statements regarding admitted effectiveness of Flarm as an aid to situational awareness specific to traffic conflicts. I've flown with it, I know it works - in my retirement home people live longer than in Don's so I'm moving there. 9B |
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On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:00:03 PM UTC+1, Don Johnstone wrote:
Better lookout and situational awareness is they key, anyone who thinks otherwise should stay at home in a locked room, they are far too dangerous to be allowed out. You know whats far more dangerous? Pilots resistant to critique. If three pilots tell you that what you are doing|thinking is wrong or dangerous: it probably is. |
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