New Class for US Nationals

On Nov 9, 12:50*pm, Kevin Christner wrote:
This assumes there is no difficulty in crossing the gaps or getting on course. *Personally (having owned a Ka8) I would not want to be attempting to cross the seven sisters with the wind 25kts WNW and a 4k cloud base. *Killer ridge day, the low performers might not make it onto the course.

2C

Every handicapped class has this problem. Handicaps are fair on
average, but some days the nimbus has to cross a gap the 1-26 does not
have to cross, and on other days the 1-26 simply can't stay up. The
mean is right, the variance is greater.

We made a major improvement by splitting the sports class in two. Now
we're not flying 1-26 vs. Nimbus 4.

If you think that the handicap groups are still too wide, then either

1) bring us lots more gliders, so we can have narrower handicap groups
but more than 3 gliders per "class." RW's pure club class can happen
if 12 gliders below 1.0 start showing up so we can have 3 classes.

2) Go fly FAI classes. The 15 meter class is basically a one-design
class at the moment. 27 and V2.

John Cochrane
John Cochrane

Any changes/enhancements being made to Winscore to handle the two classes or will the scorer have to manually enter handicaps?

On Friday, November 9, 2012 1:39:32 PM UTC-6, Ron Gleason wrote:
Any changes/enhancements being made to Winscore to handle the two classes or will the scorer have to manually enter handicaps?

It's two separate contests. This should help scorers who previously were producing two scoresheets. Now each glider is in one contest only. Both classes are handicapped per sports rules, including weight adjustments, so no change on that front. Was that the question?
John Cochrane

At 19:15 09 November 2012, John Cochrane wrote:

We made a major improvement by splitting the sports class in two. Now
we're not flying 1-26 vs. Nimbus 4.

If you think that the handicap groups are still too wide, then either

1) bring us lots more gliders, so we can have narrower handicap groups
but more than 3 gliders per "class." RW's pure club class can happen
if 12 gliders below 1.0 start showing up so we can have 3 classes.

2) Go fly FAI classes. The 15 meter class is basically a one-design
class at the moment. 27 and V2.

John Cochrane

Club Class is an FAI class! - however big bucks differnce between buying a
std cirrus or a v2/27 - why not try running it for a few years as a comp
within the IGC definition - you have no probllem doing that with other FAI
classes, and see what happens rather than basing things on past history -
if you want a sports class have it as a seperate comp - my feeling is you
will find club class will be your most subscribed class after a few years.

On Friday, November 9, 2012 7:15:03 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:
moment. 27 and V2. John Cochrane Club Class is an FAI class! - however big bucks differnce between buying a std cirrus or a v2/27 - why not try running it for a few years as a comp within the IGC definition - you have no probllem doing that with other FAI classes, and see what happens rather than basing things on past history - if you want a sports class have it as a seperate comp - my feeling is you will find club class will be your most subscribed class after a few years.

One of the problems to be solved was how to implement the Club class without gutting Sports and leaving the people running it with tasking the low performance gliders and the very high performance gliders with nothing in the middle. This approach solves that problem as well as giving a group innthe middle a choice of which class to fly.
It is likely that there will not be a large number of low performance gliders(those below IGC Club performance), but they still need a place to compete. This will allow Club to develop itself.
The principle that nobody gets sent home is a cornerstone our our philosophy.
If the class is a bit less "Clubby" so be it.
UH

At 19:15 09 November 2012, John Cochrane wrote:

We made a major improvement by splitting the sports class in two. Now
we're not flying 1-26 vs. Nimbus 4.

If you think that the handicap groups are still too wide, then either

1) bring us lots more gliders, so we can have narrower handicap groups
but more than 3 gliders per "class." RW's pure club class can happen
if 12 gliders below 1.0 start showing up so we can have 3 classes.

2) Go fly FAI classes. The 15 meter class is basically a one-design
class at the moment. 27 and V2.

John Cochrane

Club Class is an FAI class! - however big bucks differnce between buying a
std cirrus or a v2/27 - why not try running it for a few years as a comp
within the IGC definition - you have no probllem doing that with other FAI
classes, and see what happens rather than basing things on past history -
if you want a sports class have it as a seperate comp - my feeling is you
will find club class will be your most subscribed class after a few years.