New Class for US Nationals

Can't please everyone! Lol


At 00:11 11 November 2012, wrote:
On Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:30:59 AM UTC-5, RW wrote:
On Friday, November 9, 2012 11:42:07 AM UTC-5, John Cochrane wrote:

RW:=
you're setting new standards of incoherence here After 98% of
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cing pilots voted for club class gliders drivers to be considered for US
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am, 98%? I'd like to see that poll. I write the poll and read the
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esults annually. We haven't had 98% on the proposition "should the
sky
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remain blue?" I believe it was 2006 racing pilots pool ! After
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of pilots(is this better for you John,or maybe 97%,why exact number is
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important ?)voted for "only club class glider pilots" to be considered
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US Team. John, you are just angry. RC asked this question and in
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years deviated from it quietly, against majority of racing pilots wish.
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this was your decision, I would like you to step down. I'm sick of your
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inventing wheel and continuous changing rules, also treading experience
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ing pilots as kids. RW

The question in 2006 Poll was "Should the Club class team be selected
only
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from pilots flying Club class gliders?" The response was 65% yes and 35%
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.. The USTC used this guidance to put that requirement in place.
Before quoting statistics RW, maybe you should look them up.
I would note that you seem to be the angry guy, not John.
UH

Without looking into any facts or dates (therefor I can join in the rant) I could safely say the Ventus Ca driver in question hasn't been on the RC for at least 4 years. The Ventus Ca has been on the club class list since the list began, I think, but I am not going to look into the actual facts. The Ventus Ca driver that seemed to kick so much butt at the Parowan contest in question was taking care of the Ventus Ca for a friend in Holland (the Ventus Ca is currently in Holland). The former Nimbus 3 driver sold the Nimbus 3 (a very sad day for Nimbus 3 driver), at 750kg, crazed gelcoat, no gap seal, missing mylar, still seemed to beat the newer gliders... This should show that its about the driver not the glider....With that in mind, when said Nimbus 3 driver switched to become a Ventus Ca driver (due to the lack of owning a Nimbus 3) the odds were good that such driver was going to do well regardless of what he was driving.

Ventus Ca driver had a 3-headed monster, plus 2 kids (1 teething), so I don't know how many more distractions (was the most fun driver had had at a contest in a long time) one such driver should give other drivers to pass him on the score sheet... But if the excuse of Ventus Ca driver bringing an unfair glider to a contest helps you sleep at night...then okay by Ventus Ca driver, as Ventus Ca driver has still been to more WGC's than you.

By the way a lite Ventus Ca doesn't do any better than a heavy ASW-20...just saying...but you never heard the Ventus Ca driver complain, he just flew better to offset handicap. Ventus Ca driver doesn't think its real racing anyway...Open class is the only real sailplane racing...everything else is just fodder to pass the time

....see you all in Mifflin....driving something in club class, if all the distractions (minus 3-headed monster) can make it.

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:51:43 AM UTC-6, gliderstud wrote:
Without looking into any facts or dates (therefor I can join in the rant) I could safely say the Ventus Ca driver in question hasn't been on the RC for at least 4 years. The Ventus Ca has been on the club class list since the list began, I think, but I am not going to look into the actual facts. The Ventus Ca driver that seemed to kick so much butt at the Parowan contest in question was taking care of the Ventus Ca for a friend in Holland (the Ventus Ca is currently in Holland). The former Nimbus 3 driver sold the Nimbus 3 (a very sad day for Nimbus 3 driver), at 750kg, crazed gelcoat, no gap seal, missing mylar, still seemed to beat the newer gliders... This should show that its about the driver not the glider....With that in mind, when said Nimbus 3 driver switched to become a Ventus Ca driver (due to the lack of owning a Nimbus 3) the odds were good that such driver was going to do well regardless of what he was driving.



Ventus Ca driver had a 3-headed monster, plus 2 kids (1 teething), so I don't know how many more distractions (was the most fun driver had had at a contest in a long time) one such driver should give other drivers to pass him on the score sheet... But if the excuse of Ventus Ca driver bringing an unfair glider to a contest helps you sleep at night...then okay by Ventus Ca driver, as Ventus Ca driver has still been to more WGC's than you.



By the way a lite Ventus Ca doesn't do any better than a heavy ASW-20...just saying...but you never heard the Ventus Ca driver complain, he just flew better to offset handicap. Ventus Ca driver doesn't think its real racing anyway...Open class is the only real sailplane racing...everything else is just fodder to pass the time



...see you all in Mifflin....driving something in club class, if all the distractions (minus 3-headed monster) can make it.

Stud, you are so awesome! If I had a daughter, I wanted her to have your kids. I particularly like your shy modesty, never bragging about accomplishments or the superhuman difficulties you have overcome.
You must be much beloved by your peers and even your adversaries.

On Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:31:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:51:43 AM UTC-6, gliderstud wrote:

Without looking into any facts or dates (therefor I can join in the rant) I could safely say the Ventus Ca driver in question hasn't been on the RC for at least 4 years. The Ventus Ca has been on the club class list since the list began, I think, but I am not going to look into the actual facts. The Ventus Ca driver that seemed to kick so much butt at the Parowan contest in question was taking care of the Ventus Ca for a friend in Holland (the Ventus Ca is currently in Holland). The former Nimbus 3 driver sold the Nimbus 3 (a very sad day for Nimbus 3 driver), at 750kg, crazed gelcoat, no gap seal, missing mylar, still seemed to beat the newer gliders... This should show that its about the driver not the glider....With that in mind, when said Nimbus 3 driver switched to become a Ventus Ca driver (due to the lack of owning a Nimbus 3) the odds were good that such driver was going to do well regardless of what he was driving.







Ventus Ca driver had a 3-headed monster, plus 2 kids (1 teething), so I don't know how many more distractions (was the most fun driver had had at a contest in a long time) one such driver should give other drivers to pass him on the score sheet... But if the excuse of Ventus Ca driver bringing an unfair glider to a contest helps you sleep at night...then okay by Ventus Ca driver, as Ventus Ca driver has still been to more WGC's than you.







By the way a lite Ventus Ca doesn't do any better than a heavy ASW-20....just saying...but you never heard the Ventus Ca driver complain, he just flew better to offset handicap. Ventus Ca driver doesn't think its real racing anyway...Open class is the only real sailplane racing...everything else is just fodder to pass the time







...see you all in Mifflin....driving something in club class, if all the distractions (minus 3-headed monster) can make it.



Stud, you are so awesome! If I had a daughter, I wanted her to have your kids. I particularly like your shy modesty, never bragging about accomplishments or the superhuman difficulties you have overcome.

You must be much beloved by your peers and even your adversaries.

I like him.

Originally Posted by gliderstud

Without looking into any facts or dates (therefor I can join in the rant) I could safely say the Ventus Ca driver in question hasn't been on the RC for at least 4 years. The Ventus Ca has been on the club class list since the list began, I think, but I am not going to look into the actual facts. The Ventus Ca driver that seemed to kick so much butt at the Parowan contest in question was taking care of the Ventus Ca for a friend in Holland (the Ventus Ca is currently in Holland). The former Nimbus 3 driver sold the Nimbus 3 (a very sad day for Nimbus 3 driver), at 750kg, crazed gelcoat, no gap seal, missing mylar, still seemed to beat the newer gliders... This should show that its about the driver not the glider....With that in mind, when said Nimbus 3 driver switched to become a Ventus Ca driver (due to the lack of owning a Nimbus 3) the odds were good that such driver was going to do well regardless of what he was driving.

Ventus Ca driver had a 3-headed monster, plus 2 kids (1 teething), so I don't know how many more distractions (was the most fun driver had had at a contest in a long time) one such driver should give other drivers to pass him on the score sheet... But if the excuse of Ventus Ca driver bringing an unfair glider to a contest helps you sleep at night...then okay by Ventus Ca driver, as Ventus Ca driver has still been to more WGC's than you.

By the way a lite Ventus Ca doesn't do any better than a heavy ASW-20...just saying...but you never heard the Ventus Ca driver complain, he just flew better to offset handicap. Ventus Ca driver doesn't think its real racing anyway...Open class is the only real sailplane racing...everything else is just fodder to pass the time

....see you all in Mifflin....driving something in club class, if all the distractions (minus 3-headed monster) can make it.

Have you thought about a career as a comedian? Best laugh I've had for a while. Agree about the empty Ventus. I fly a Nimbus3D as well as my little Ventus a and it's easy to be beaten by better pilots despite having higher performance gear. Keep up the good work Garret

Colin

Bravo guys!

Now you club class guys need to show up and make it a success!

I am looking for a club class glider now. Thanks!

Sean - F2

Tim,

Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why a higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the theoretically lower performance LS-8 is not?

2C

On Monday, November 12, 2012 11:14:37 PM UTC+1, Kevin Christner wrote:
Tim, Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why a higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the theoretically lower performance LS-8 is not? 2C

Cuz we LS6a/b drivers don't got no fancy draglets - uh - winglets?

How more classic can you get?

Gonna need to bring a lot of cheese to the contests to go with all the whine...

66

On Monday, November 12, 2012 5:14:37 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
Tim, Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why a higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the theoretically lower performance LS-8 is not? 2C

Read again the text of the description and note that it describes a handicap range.
All sailplanes withing that range would be permitted to fly in Club class. This includes the LS-8.
Yes it appears you are confused, but not sure where confusion came from.
Cheers
UH

On Nov 12, 6:07*pm, wrote:
On Monday, November 12, 2012 5:14:37 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
Tim, Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why a higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the theoretically lower performance LS-8 is not? 2C

Read again the text of the description and note that it describes a handicap range.
All sailplanes withing that range would be permitted to fly in Club class.. This includes the LS-8.
Yes it appears you are confused, but not sure where confusion came from.
Cheers
UH

To clarify, the "club" class competition will include all sailplanes
below 0.899 (Ls6 / ventus abc) on the US handicap list. (Subject to
SSA BOD approval) as Hank said. This includes LS8/D2, V1 and all
ASW20s. It also extends arbitrarily to lower performance, so a KA6 is
welcome to come fly the "club" class.

The US team is still deciding what to do about team selection, which
is a separate issue. For the moment, they have made no change to the
rule that sailplanes must be on the US team club class list to qualify
for team selection points. This includes V1 and all ASW20s, but not
LS8/D2. It also has a lower limit, the KA6 is not on it. (see ssa,
racing, other resources, handicaps. Look for the "C" for club).The
team will announce a formal decision on this issue when they have made
it. Until they announce a change, the current rules are in effect, see
the ssa list.

The IGC maintains a separate list of what "club" means. This changes
from championship to championship. The current version does not
include the V1 or ASW20 b and c. This list has no bearing on US
contests at the moment.

In sum, there may be three definitions of "club" to watch: 1) who is
allowed to fly in the "club" portion of US sports/club class nationals
2) what gliders, flying in that contest, earn US team points 3) the
IGC "club" list for the upcoming world championships. They are all
different!

John Cochrane