FAI (IGC) rules for US Club Class Nationals - Petition

I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS complex,simpler and easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long compared to 25,804 (US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low performance gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are specifically excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area Tasks. 50/50 seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a rules.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke

On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:54:51 PM UTC-8, Richard Walters wrote:
Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of

all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at

825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with

the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading

advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the

UK.

Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably

less.



Richard Walters




The reference weight for Discus a & b is 367 kg. Every 10 kg incurs a handicap increase of 0,005. Yes, there can be a wing loading difference but it's accounted for in the handicap.

Copied from current handicap list:

"The handicap is based on the performance at the New IGC Reference Mass.
If a glider is flown at a mass not exceeding this reference mass it can be considered as operated within legal mass limits.
Where a glider is flown at a higher mass by necessity, the pilot will have to provide documentation to prove that his glider is
still operated within legal mass limits and the handicap will be increased by 0,005 for each 10 kg or part thereof that the glider
exceeds the reference mass. However the wing loading may in no case exceed 38 kg/m2. In addition the handicap may in no
case exceed 1,09."

Sean Franke

Sean,

My understanding is that pilots that fly under the "normal" weight
for their glider type, do not get a handicap reduction. So instead
they fly with lead bars to get to the normal weight. Or they fly
light ( real light in the case of Sarah Arnold) and give up an
unfair advantage.

Are you proposing allowing lead ballast?

Richard Walters

At 00:13 28 November 2012, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:54:51 PM UTC-8, Richard
Walters wrote:
Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule
of

all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus
b at

825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly
with

the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing
loading

advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe
the

UK.

Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably

less.



Richard Walters




The reference weight for Discus a & b is 367 kg. Every 10 kg
incurs a
handicap increase of 0,005. Yes, there can be a wing loading
difference
but it's accounted for in the handicap.

Copied from current handicap list:

"The handicap is based on the performance at the New IGC
Reference Mass.
If a glider is flown at a mass not exceeding this reference
mass it can be
considered as operated within legal mass limits.
Where a glider is flown at a higher mass by necessity, the pilot
will have
to provide documentation to prove that his glider is
still operated within legal mass limits and the handicap will be
increased
by 0,005 for each 10 kg or part thereof that the glider
exceeds the reference mass. However the wing loading may in
no case exceed
38 kg/m2. In addition the handicap may in no
case exceed 1,09."

Sean Franke

On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:59:56 PM UTC-8, Richard Walters wrote:
Sean,



My understanding is that pilots that fly under the "normal" weight

for their glider type, do not get a handicap reduction. So instead

they fly with lead bars to get to the normal weight. Or they fly

light ( real light in the case of Sarah Arnold) and give up an

unfair advantage.



Are you proposing allowing lead ballast?



Richard Walters



At 00:13 28 November 2012, wrote:

On Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:54:51 PM UTC-8, Richard

Walters wrote:

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule

of



all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus

b at



825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly

with



the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing

loading



advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe

the



UK.



Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably



less.







Richard Walters









The reference weight for Discus a & b is 367 kg. Every 10 kg

incurs a

handicap increase of 0,005. Yes, there can be a wing loading

difference

but it's accounted for in the handicap.



Copied from current handicap list:



"The handicap is based on the performance at the New IGC

Reference Mass.

If a glider is flown at a mass not exceeding this reference

mass it can be

considered as operated within legal mass limits.

Where a glider is flown at a higher mass by necessity, the pilot

will have

to provide documentation to prove that his glider is

still operated within legal mass limits and the handicap will be

increased

by 0,005 for each 10 kg or part thereof that the glider

exceeds the reference mass. However the wing loading may in

no case exceed

38 kg/m2. In addition the handicap may in no

case exceed 1,09."



Sean Franke





You're right, there is no handicap adjustment for "under weight" gliders. I'm proposing mirroring IGC rules, handicaps and tasking philosophy.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke

Let's not forget what I consider the most unfair IGC CC rule of
all- no actual weight based handicapping. So if I fly a Discus b at
825 pounds and BB flies a Discus a at 700 pounds, we fly with
the same handicap. I would have a one pound PSF wing loading
advantage, which would be helpful anywhere but the maybe the
UK.
Big, heavy guys take note. I weigh 100 kg. BB considerably
less.

Richard Walters

At 23:13 27 November 2012, wrote:
I encourage you to review the rules. IGC is LESS
complex,simpler and
easier to understand. IGC rules are 15,091 words long
compared to 25,804
(US rules).

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

Go to Sporting Code Section 3 Annex A

1. No 1-34s, etc. so we don't have to worry about low
performance
gliders when task setting.
YES

2. No LS-6s, Venti and ASW-20Bs&Cs.
No LS-6 or Venti. ASW-20B&Cs HAVE BEEN allowed. They are
specifically
excluded in Argentina at the next WGC.

3. No speed or altitude limits prior to the start.
Altitude limits are up to CD discretion, similar to US Rules.

4. Much more emphasis on ATs.
YES. There are ONLY Racing Tasks (AT) and Assigned Area
Tasks. 50/50
seems to be the philosophy.

5. Score everything according to FAI rules.
YES. See scoring calculations on page 31 & 32 of FAI SC3a
rules.

Sean Franke