P-51's in movie "Empire of the Sun"

In article , Jim Doyle
writes

i saw a film that they tried to make the F4 Phantom a russian fighter!
that
said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film would be
pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The Great Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

"Sahara" (original version) - is the 'Messerschmitt' a Mustang?
"Where Eagles Dare" - the Bell 47 playing, I guess, a Flettner Fl282?
"A Bridge Too Far" - AT-6s playing Thunderbolts and Typhoons?

--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm

said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film would be
pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was actually only
one - the flight of four was only a flight of one, copied several times). Its
quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit more. The original model is in a
storeroom today in the San Diego Aerospace Museum.



Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The Great Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck out
here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for sure?

--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm


Where the heck have you been, Graeme?

yfGordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose AN engine, than THE engine.

In article ,
nt (Krztalizer) writes:
said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film would be
pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was actually only
one - the flight of four was only a flight of one, copied several times). Its
quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit more. The original model is in a
storeroom today in the San Diego Aerospace Museum.

Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The Great Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck out
here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for sure?

My money's on a Percival Proctor, or some such similar. Gipsy engine,
and fixed gear with wheel pants.

(As long as it doesn't have a shadow, I should do O.K. I don't have
good luck with shadows)


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

It is a 108! i saw it in "mosquito sqdn" and "633 sqdn", and further to that
it was in a flypast issue magaizine (dont ask me which one because it was a
few years ago!!).
But it is a Bf108!!
"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...
said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film would
be
pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was actually
only
one - the flight of four was only a flight of one, copied several times).
Its
quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit more. The original model is in a
storeroom today in the San Diego Aerospace Museum.



Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The Great
Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck
out
here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for
sure?

--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm


Where the heck have you been, Graeme?

yfGordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose AN engine, than THE engine.

M. H. Greaves wrote:
It is a 108! i saw it in "mosquito sqdn" and "633 sqdn", and further
to that it was in a flypast issue magaizine (dont ask me which one
because it was a few years ago!!).
But it is a Bf108!!

Not forgetting VonRyan's Express!

IIRC they had rockets as well. Not bad for a light trainer.



Richard.



"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...
said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film
would be pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was
actually only one - the flight of four was only a flight of one,
copied several times). Its quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit
more. The original model is in a storeroom today in the San Diego
Aerospace Museum.



Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The
Great Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking
my neck out here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around.
Anyone know for sure?

--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm


Where the heck have you been, Graeme?

yfGordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose AN engine, than THE engine.

of course, sorry, havent seen that for a long time!
"Richard Brooks" wrote in message
...
M. H. Greaves wrote:
It is a 108! i saw it in "mosquito sqdn" and "633 sqdn", and further
to that it was in a flypast issue magaizine (dont ask me which one
because it was a few years ago!!).
But it is a Bf108!!

Not forgetting VonRyan's Express!

IIRC they had rockets as well. Not bad for a light trainer.



Richard.



"Krztalizer" wrote in message
...
said, the chances of getting a REAL russian plane for the film
would be pretty slim!

"Ice Station Zero" - a flight of four (?) MiG-21 models turns into a
real Phantom as it overflies the submarine.

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was
actually only one - the flight of four was only a flight of one,
copied several times). Its quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit
more. The original model is in a storeroom today in the San Diego
Aerospace Museum.



Also didn't Donald
Pleasence get shot after James Gardner crashed theirs in 'The
Great Escape'?

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking
my neck out here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around.
Anyone know for sure?

--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm


Where the heck have you been, Graeme?

yfGordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Its always better to lose AN engine, than THE engine.

In article , Krztalizer
writes

I have a photo from 1981, holding that MiG 21 model (there was actually only
one - the flight of four was only a flight of one, copied several times). Its
quite large, perhaps 30" long or a bit more. The original model is in a
storeroom today in the San Diego Aerospace Museum.

From memory, 'they' (it) looked as though it had a red light bulb in the
tailcone....

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck out
here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for sure?

I'll have to watch it again (!)

Gordon: I've been rather busy with one thing another, and also the
signal-noise ratio after Gulf War II got a little too much for me. Too
much politics and too little talk about aircraft!
--
Graeme

Currently Reading: "The Day We Bombed Switzerland" - Granholm

I'll have to watch it again (!)

You'll see I was wrong LOL

Gordon: I've been rather busy with one thing another, and also the
signal-noise ratio after Gulf War II got a little too much for me. Too
much politics and too little talk about aircraft!

NO SH%T!

Glad to see you back, even in a quasi-lurk status.

yfGordon

"quasi-lurk status."
Wow! Contageous?

Quent

I thought that was a Bucker Bu181 Bestmann (or a derivative), but I
might be wrong.

As Captain Tenneal would say, "Well, you're wrong." (Sticking my neck
out
here) I think its a 108. Dern few Bestmanns around. Anyone know for sure?

It was in fact a Bestmann or derivative. The key is the fixed gear as the Bf
108 retracts. There are or were then several Bestmann's flying in Europe and
they were also then in production in Egypt as military trainers. Even more
recently the type was offered for sale as the Aeropony with a modern
horizontally opposed engine.

John Dupre'