Glider Pilot arrested for airspace

This seems to be a perfect cue for glider operations to announce "First Responder Appreciation Day" at the airport. Free glider rides, toy gliders for the kids, barbeque, etc..

We need to cultivate good long term non-confrontational relationships with first-responders. The good guys will keep the loose cannons in check if they understand what the heck we are doing up there in the sky without an engine.

I'd prefer to see a big smile on the deputy's face when an irate farmer calls him/her out to mediate a contentious land out.

Eric,
It is where the woman at the FBO is talking about the cop gone mad. To quote from the article:

"Griffin said she had to tell the officers on the scene to clear out the runway, and one officer talked about commandeering the airport. “He was running around, the one guy that was commandeering everything, saying, ‘We were going to shoot him down,’” she said."

The cop saying "We are going to shoot him down" sounds an awful lot like the plan to use deadly force to me. Right below the last picture in the article on the AOPA website.

Steve

On 1/11/2013 2:14 PM, Steve Leonard wrote:
Eric, It is where the woman at the FBO is talking about the cop gone
mad. To quote from the article:

"Griffin said she had to tell the officers on the scene to clear out
the runway, and one officer talked about commandeering the airport.
“He was running around, the one guy that was commandeering
everything, saying, ‘We were going to shoot him down,’” she said."

The cop saying "We are going to shoot him down" sounds an awful lot
like the plan to use deadly force to me. Right below the last
picture in the article on the AOPA website.

I saw that, but it did not involve DHS, as I think you suggested, but
only one local cop.

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On 1/11/2013 1:07 PM, son_of_flubber wrote:
This seems to be a perfect cue for glider operations to announce
"First Responder Appreciation Day" at the airport. Free glider
rides, toy gliders for the kids, barbeque, etc..

We need to cultivate good long term non-confrontational relationships
with first-responders. The good guys will keep the loose cannons in
check if they understand what the heck we are doing up there in the
sky without an engine.

I'd prefer to see a big smile on the deputy's face when an irate
farmer calls him/her out to mediate a contentious land out.

I like the way you think. Suppose, instead of just agreeing not pursue
legal action, the pilot had every local person involved - plant
operators, managers, police officers, sheriff - agree to come out to the
glider field for a free glider ride as part of the "no legal action"
deal. And tell them their kids can have a free ride, too!

It may not be too late: extend the offer ASAP to as many of the people
as can be reached, maybe get the local paper in on it. Possibly, Bermuda
Soaring could bring the towplane and glider to the airport the glider
pilot landed at, and give the rides there. That might get even more
people out.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)

On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:16:27 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 1/11/2013 1:07 PM, son_of_flubber wrote:

This seems to be a perfect cue for glider operations to announce

"First Responder Appreciation Day" at the airport. Free glider

rides, toy gliders for the kids, barbeque, etc..



We need to cultivate good long term non-confrontational relationships

with first-responders. The good guys will keep the loose cannons in

check if they understand what the heck we are doing up there in the

sky without an engine.



I'd prefer to see a big smile on the deputy's face when an irate

farmer calls him/her out to mediate a contentious land out.



I like the way you think. Suppose, instead of just agreeing not pursue

legal action, the pilot had every local person involved - plant

operators, managers, police officers, sheriff - agree to come out to the

glider field for a free glider ride as part of the "no legal action"

deal. And tell them their kids can have a free ride, too!



It may not be too late: extend the offer ASAP to as many of the people

as can be reached, maybe get the local paper in on it. Possibly, Bermuda

Soaring could bring the towplane and glider to the airport the glider

pilot landed at, and give the rides there. That might get even more

people out.



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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to

email me)

You kidding, right?
If not, I suggest you ask Robin first if this is what he perceives as reward for putting him in jail.

Ramy

On 1/11/2013 5:35 PM, Ramy wrote:
On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:16:27 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 1/11/2013 1:07 PM, son_of_flubber wrote:

This seems to be a perfect cue for glider operations to announce
"First Responder Appreciation Day" at the airport. Free glider
rides, toy gliders for the kids, barbeque, etc..



We need to cultivate good long term non-confrontational
relationships
with first-responders. The good guys will keep the loose cannons
in
check if they understand what the heck we are doing up there in
the
sky without an engine.


I'd prefer to see a big smile on the deputy's face when an irate
farmer calls him/her out to mediate a contentious land out.



I like the way you think. Suppose, instead of just agreeing not
pursue
legal action, the pilot had every local person involved - plant
operators, managers, police officers, sheriff - agree to come out
to the
glider field for a free glider ride as part of the "no legal
action"

deal. And tell them their kids can have a free ride, too!

It may not be too late: extend the offer ASAP to as many of the
people

as can be reached, maybe get the local paper in on it. Possibly,
Bermuda

Soaring could bring the towplane and glider to the airport the
glider

pilot landed at, and give the rides there. That might get even
more

people out.


You kidding, right? If not, I suggest you ask Robin first if this is
what he perceives as reward for putting him in jail.

I think countering ignorance with education is a good idea. They'd learn
glider pilots are real people with no intent to harm, they'd learn
something about the sport and be less fearful of gliders over the
reactor, and possibly, they or someone they know would be interested
enough to take up the sport. Imagine how differently they might look at
glider pilots if a few kids got rides.

If nothing else, the offer might get them thinking they may have
misjudged the situation.

On the other hand, a counterattack, such as by suing, might confirm (at
least in their minds) they did the right thing, and God help the next
pilot that gets them excited.

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Sure, why not reward them even more.
I wonder if you would think the same after seating in jail sharing a cell with criminals for over 24 hours due to these morons.
I for one hope that the agreement not to sue them has no merit and that Robin will be able to buy himself a nice collection of new motorgliders funded by their pensions and bonuses, to make up for the trauma of spending a day and night in jail.
Sigh!!

Ramy

On Friday, January 11, 2013 11:22:02 PM UTC-5, Ramy wrote:
I wonder if you would think the same after seating in jail sharing a cell with criminals for over 24 hours due to these morons.

I for one hope that the agreement not to sue them has no merit and that Robin will be able to buy himself a nice collection of new motorgliders funded by their pensions and bonuses, to make up for the trauma of spending a day and night in jail.

I totally sympathize with Robin for his ordeal. I think that he was wise and mature to deescalate the situation.

Bermuda High is in Appalachia. You've heard of the Hatfields and McCoys feud? The Sheriff was wrong, but I imagine that he and all of his buddies are still blaming those rich "glider folk". The sheriff needs to save face. The most dangerous thing in the world is to make a person feel stupid. That never ends well. I'm sure that Bermuda High has already taken steps to mend fences.

My suggestion for "first responder appreciation day" was more directed to other gliding centers where we can make friends and educate before we stumble into a nasty misunderstanding such as this. This incident shows that nuclear power plants are a special case and that some preemptive communication and education is well-advised. People are frightened of what they don't understand. The sheriff panicked.

On 1/11/2013 8:22 PM, Ramy wrote:
Sure, why not reward them even more. I wonder if you would think the
same after seating in jail sharing a cell with criminals for over 24
hours due to these morons. I for one hope that the agreement not to
sue them has no merit and that Robin will be able to buy himself a
nice collection of new motorgliders funded by their pensions and
bonuses, to make up for the trauma of spending a day and night in
jail. Sigh!!

I'm sure it's hard in the heat of the moment to take the long term view,
and I don't fault the pilot for not doing it. My suggestion is just an
extension of the usual advice for handling a landout: try to make
friends, try to get the farmer to the glider club for a ride.

I think it's a low risk strategy:

-if they are just ignorant, possibly now feeling foolish about
overreacting, an offer like this would calm them and give them the
chance to understand and like us; suing or similar might just make
enemies, which is even worse than ignorance

-if they are genuine a-holes without hope of redemption, they'll still
be a-holes without hope of redemption; suing or similar might make them
more careful the next time, but there's a good chance it would just make
them worse

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It bears mention that this incident took place on July 26, 2012.