Is the 787 a failure ?

NTSB 7th update

Synopsis:
Navy research, no result.
DoE rep has been added to the investigation.
NTSB going to France to get Thales' take on the question.
First update with *no next scheduled update*!

Full text:
|
| NTSB issues seventh update on JAL Boeing 787 battery fire
| investigation
|
| February 1
|
| WASHINGTON - The National Transportation Safety Board today
| released the seventh update on its investigation into the
| Jan. 7 fire aboard a Japan Airlines Boeing 787 at Logan
| International Airport in Boston.
|
| The auxiliary power unit battery, manufactured by GS Yuasa,
| was the original battery delivered with the airplane on
| December 20, 2012. It is comprised of eight individual
| cells. All eight cells came from the same manufacturing lot
| in July 2012. The battery was assembled in September 2012
| and installed on the aircraft on October 15, 2012. It was
| first charged on October 19, 2012.
|
| Examination and testing of an exemplar battery got underway
| earlier this week at the Carderock Division of the Naval
| Surface Warfare Center laboratories in West Bethesda, MD.
| The tests consisted of electrical measurements, mass
| measurements, and infrared thermal imaging of each cell,
| with no anomalies noted. The cells are currently undergoing
| CT scanning to examine their internal condition. In
| addition, on Thursday, a battery expert from the Department
| of Energy joined the investigative team to lend his
| expertise to the ongoing testing and validation work.
|
| NTSB investigators were made aware of reports of prior
| battery replacements on aircraft in the 787 fleet, early in
| the investigation. As reported Tuesday, Boeing, a party to
| the investigation, is providing pertinent fleet information
| which investigators will review to determine if there is
| any relevance to the JAL investigation.
|
| An investigative group continued to interpret data from the
| two digital flight data recorders on the aircraft, and is
| examining recorded signals to determine if they might yield
| additional information about the performance of the battery
| and the operation of the charging system.
|
| Next week, the NTSB battery testing team will initiate a
| non-invasive "soft short" test of all cells of the exemplar
| battery. This test will reveal the presence of any high
| resistance, small or "soft" shorts within a cell. Also, an
| NTSB investigator will travel to France with the battery
| contactor from the JAL event battery, for examination at
| the manufacturer. The battery contactor connects a wiring
| bundle from the airplane to the battery.
|
| Investigators are continuing their work in Washington and
| Japan and the team in Seattle continues to observe the
| FAA-led review of the certification process for the 787
| battery system. The flow of information from these
| observations helps to inform NTSB investigative activity in
| the US and around the world.
|
http://www.ntsb.gov/news/2013/130201b.html

--bks

Boeing blows smoke:
| ...
| We now have hundreds of people at Boeing, some of our best
| and brightest, dedicated exclusively to solving this issue.
| In addition, we've tapped into the pool of Technical
| Fellows at Boeing, which offers deep knowledge across
| diverse technical areas. These individuals achieve this
| coveted designation after demonstrating expertise
| recognized by leaders in Boeing, as well as across the
| industry.
|
| We've also reached out to a handful of retired experts.
| Seven retired executives and technology leaders make up our
| Senior Advisory Group, which provides valuable
| experience-based perspective and counsel to teams designing
| and manufacturing. Together they have more than 230 years
| of collective Boeing experience and have been awarded a
| total of 46 industry awards and accolades.
| ...
http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2013/02/when_the_going_gets_tough_boei.html

Seven retired executives? They must be joking.

--bks

On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:28:56 +0000 (UTC), (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:

Boeing blows smoke:
| ...
| We now have hundreds of people at Boeing, some of our best
| and brightest, dedicated exclusively to solving this issue.
| In addition, we've tapped into the pool of Technical
| Fellows at Boeing, which offers deep knowledge across
| diverse technical areas. These individuals achieve this
| coveted designation after demonstrating expertise
| recognized by leaders in Boeing, as well as across the
| industry.
|
| We've also reached out to a handful of retired experts.
| Seven retired executives and technology leaders make up our
| Senior Advisory Group, which provides valuable
| experience-based perspective and counsel to teams designing
| and manufacturing. Together they have more than 230 years
| of collective Boeing experience and have been awarded a
| total of 46 industry awards and accolades.
| ...
http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2013/02/when_the_going_gets_tough_boei.html

Seven retired executives? They must be joking.

--bks
Your reading comprehension not too good, or your attention span
REALLY short. You forgot the "and technology leaders"

wrote:
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 23:28:56 +0000 (UTC), (Bradley K.
Sherman) wrote:
| ...
| We've also reached out to a handful of retired experts.
| Seven retired executives and technology leaders make up our
| Senior Advisory Group, which provides valuable
| ...
http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2013/02/when_the_going_gets_tough_boei.html

Seven retired executives? They must be joking.

Your reading comprehension not too good, or your attention span
REALLY short. You forgot the "and technology leaders"

Is Boeing short of executives and "technology leaders"?
They're paying CEO McNerney $22,000,000/year. At that
price he should be able to figure out what's wrong with
the battery all by himself.

--bks

McNerney gets paid $400,000 per week for this? Yow!
| ...
| In 2008, as problems and delays continued to mount for the
| Dreamliner, Mr. McNerney toured several of Boeing's key
| suppliers. At one plant, which made part of the fuselage,
| he asked managers what was keeping their production line
| from moving. They told him they were waiting on a part that
| Boeing itself made. Mr. McNerney expressed surprise,
| according to someone present at the meeting.
|
| Mr. McNerney has conceded that Boeing went too far in
| spreading out the 787's supply chain. "We got a little bit
| seduced that it would all come together seamlessly and the
| same design rules would be applied everywhere in the world
| and corners wouldn't be cut and financial realities
| wouldn't hit certain folks," Mr. McNerney told an audience
| at an event in September.
|
| To hasten completion of the complicated new aircraft, the
| CEO aggressively replaced key managers.
| ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324039504578260164279497602.html

--bks

The integrated approach isn't working, so they
bring in new people who aren't integrated and
probably don't work together?

I'm not optomistic.

Christopher A. Young
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"Bradley K. Sherman" wrote in message
...
McNerney gets paid $400,000 per week for this? Yow!
| ...
| In 2008, as problems and delays continued to mount for the
| Dreamliner, Mr. McNerney toured several of Boeing's key
| suppliers. At one plant, which made part of the fuselage,
| he asked managers what was keeping their production line
| from moving. They told him they were waiting on a part that
| Boeing itself made. Mr. McNerney expressed surprise,
| according to someone present at the meeting.
|
| Mr. McNerney has conceded that Boeing went too far in
| spreading out the 787's supply chain. "We got a little bit
| seduced that it would all come together seamlessly and the
| same design rules would be applied everywhere in the world
| and corners wouldn't be cut and financial realities
| wouldn't hit certain folks," Mr. McNerney told an audience
| at an event in September.
|
| To hasten completion of the complicated new aircraft, the
| CEO aggressively replaced key managers.
| ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324039504578260164279497602.html

--bks

On 2/2/2013 6:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The integrated approach isn't working, so they
bring in new people who aren't integrated and
probably don't work together?

Yep, that group might not help at all. On the other hand, it's hard to
imagine how getting fresh minds with fresh ideas working on a tough
problem like this can be a bad thing. Compared to the cost of the
problem, the cost of this team is miniscule.

(Trollish crossposts to unrelated groups snipped)