Israel murders disabled people... whats next i wonder IDF-Apachefiring missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque inGaza...

In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Like Yassin's brother, who was killed by, er, well, he was killed by
Yassin, but don't let that stop you.

Stop me from what?

How does this excuse Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?


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In article OST7c.2460$Ct5.1591@edtnps89,
wrote:

In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Like Yassin's brother, who was killed by, er, well, he was killed by
Yassin, but don't let that stop you.

Stop me from what?

How does this excuse Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

Considering that Israel has only killed, since the start of the last
Intifada in 2000, about 2600 Palestinians (most of whom were armed or
standing around people who were armed and shooting) out of a population
of 8.7 million, you're horribly abusing that "ethnic cleansing" phrase.

On the other hand, if the Palestinians would stop bombing buses and
coffee shops, a lot of that death and destruction would stop practically
overnight. But since several different terror groups in the Palestinian
population have announced that they want nothing much besides every
Jewish person dead...

(That's what "ethnic cleansing" really means, you know. It's a modern
European phrase for the outmoded "genocide.")

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cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Considering that Israel has only killed, since the start of the last
Intifada in 2000, about 2600 Palestinians (most of whom were armed or
standing around people who were armed and shooting) out of a population
of 8.7 million, you're horribly abusing that "ethnic cleansing" phrase.

You dishonestly restrict the use of the word, both in time, and in impact.
Ethnic cleansing is the only word to describe the concerted *60 YEAR*
effort to drive Palestinians out of their native land into neighboring arab
countries. Murder, assassination, torture, intimidation, racism,
harassment, destruction of infrastructure, destruction of economy,
destruction of farmland, theft of water, environmental destuction.

The message is quite clear. It is "Get out or suffer".

On the other hand, if the Palestinians would stop bombing buses and
coffee shops, a lot of that death and destruction would stop practically
overnight.

No, it wouldn't. A complete surrender by Paletinians would not halt the
Zionist master plan for the exclusive habitation of Palestine.

I'm surprised, for someone who has such a concern for buses and coffee
shops, that you don't have a greater concern for the Paletinians, who have
lost far more, in both lives, property, and infrastructure, than their better
armed enemy.



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In article Eo28c.4246$Ct5.3230@edtnps89,
wrote:

No, it wouldn't. A complete surrender by Paletinians would not halt the
Zionist master plan for the exclusive habitation of Palestine.

Here's a clue: if you're going to pretend that you're not just
anti-Zewish, stop using phrases like "Zionist master plan."

The Israelis must really suck at this "ethnic cleansing" thing, though,
since there are about 1.3 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip now,
versus about 400,000 in about 1967. The Pali population has gone up
ever year over the last 37 years, which puts the lie to your little
comments.

The Palestinians have been offered peaceful solutions many times over
the years, and it's people like Yassin who always screw things up, not
because they want to defeat the "Zionist master plan," but because they
publicly tell everyone in earshot that they want all of the Jews *dead*.

It's on their *web page*.

If you want a good compromise, don't tell the other side that you want
to commit genocide (sorry, "ethnic cleansing") on them, or that you
won't be happy until you push them into the sea.

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cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

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news:Eo28c.4246$Ct5.3230@edtnps89:

In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Considering that Israel has only killed, since the start of the last
Intifada in 2000, about 2600 Palestinians (most of whom were armed or
standing around people who were armed and shooting) out of a
population of 8.7 million, you're horribly abusing that "ethnic
cleansing" phrase.

You dishonestly restrict the use of the word, both in time, and in
impact. Ethnic cleansing is the only word to describe the concerted
*60 YEAR* effort to drive Palestinians out of their native land

THEIR native land? ISTR a mosque built on Jewish Temple remains.
In fact,the Jews were there before the "Palestinians" ever were invented.
(most of the "Palestinians" are Egyptians,Syrians,Lebanese,or Jordanian.)
Jews have lived in that area for many thousands of years.It's the ARABS who
want to drive the Jews "into the sea",to use their own words.The Israelis
have Palestinians in their GOVERNMENT,and coexist peacefully with them in
the State of Israel,while no Arab country tolerates Jews living among
them,and certainly not allowing them representation in any Arab government.
And the ARABS are the ones who calle dfor Arab resisdents to flee when they
launched the first of several wars to "drive the Jews into the sea".To
exterminate them.

and Jordan is at least 70% "Palestinian",yet no one is calling for Jordan
to be "Palestine",or even part of it.It was even part of the original
"Palestinian Mandate" created after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire,
-another- Arab government that persecuted the Jews living in that area.



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In us.military.army Chad Irby wrote:

Considering that Israel has only killed, since the start of the last
Intifada in 2000, about 2600 Palestinians (most of whom were armed or
standing around people who were armed and shooting) out of a population
of 8.7 million, you're horribly abusing that "ethnic cleansing" phrase.

You dishonestly restrict the use of the word, both in time, and in impact.
Ethnic cleansing is the only word to describe the concerted *60 YEAR*
effort to drive Palestinians out of their native land into neighboring
arab
countries. Murder, assassination, torture, intimidation, racism,
harassment, destruction of infrastructure, destruction of economy,
destruction of farmland, theft of water, environmental destuction.

The message is quite clear. It is "Get out or suffer".

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal
Husseini told the UN Security Council on April 16, 1948:

"The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were
not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny
this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight".

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Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha on September 16, 1947 -

"The Arab world is not in a compromising mood. It's likely, Mr. Horowitz,
that your plan is rational and logical, but the fate of nations is not
decided by rational logic. Nations never concede; they fight. You won't get
anything by peaceful means or compromise. You can, perhaps, get something,
but only by the force of your arms. We shall try to defeat you. I am not
sure we'll succeed, but we'll try. We were able to drive out the Crusaders,
but on the other hand we lost Spain and Persia. It may be that we shall lose
Palestine. But it's too late to talk of peaceful solutions."

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Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian
would have become a refugee. An independent Arab state would now exist
beside Israel. The responsibility for the refugee problem rests with the
Arabs.

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Their intentions were declared by Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab
League: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which
will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades."

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Ah yes, damn the Israelis and their 60 year campaign of 'Ethnic cleansing
'...