IDF-Apache firing missiles on 67yr old civilian in wheelchair- at Sabra mosque in Gaza...

"Oelewapper" wrote :
Admittedly, I am not very familiar with this particular kind of issues in
military aviation, but how can it be "legal" for the Israëli occupation
force to send out US-made Apaches, to launch a couple of missiles on a 67
year old crippled, half-blind and unarmed man, leaving a mosque in a
wheelchair after having said his dawn prayers ?? What about the pilot's
responsibility ??

And what about the countries that are supplying and financing those
governments that are responsible for these "evil" state-sponsored - yet
IMHO
completely unlawful - brutalities ??

I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.
They killed lot of civilians in this kind of assassination, but in lot of
cases they didn't kill the man they actually wanted to kill...

"Nicky" wrote in message
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I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.
They killed lot of civilians in this kind of assassination, but in lot of
cases they didn't kill the man they actually wanted to kill...

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses etc
?

"Sunny" wrote:

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses
etc
?

I do nor support the killing of civilans of any side !

But after decades of Israel occupation do you think Palestinians had any
other choice ?
This situation looks like British occupation of Ireland and Irish fight for
freadom. Methods, if not same were quite similar.

"Nicky" wrote in message
...
"Sunny" wrote:

As opposed to killing a lot of civilians in cafes, discos, trains, buses
etc
?

I do nor support the killing of civilans of any side !

But after decades of Israel occupation do you think Palestinians had any
other choice ?
This situation looks like British occupation of Ireland and Irish fight
for
freadom. Methods, if not same were quite similar.



You think so huh.

Care to tell us how many suicide bombings took place in Ireland ?

How about how many air attacks on Sinn Fein leaders took place
in Ireland ?

Keith

"Nicky" wrote in message ...
"Oelewapper" wrote :
Admittedly, I am not very familiar with this particular kind of issues in
military aviation, but how can it be "legal" for the Israëli occupation
force to send out US-made Apaches, to launch a couple of missiles on a 67
year old crippled, half-blind and unarmed man, leaving a mosque in a
wheelchair after having said his dawn prayers ?? What about the pilot's
responsibility ??

And what about the countries that are supplying and financing those
governments that are responsible for these "evil" state-sponsored - yet
IMHO
completely unlawful - brutalities ??

I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.
They killed lot of civilians in this kind of assassination, but in lot of
cases they didn't kill the man they actually wanted to kill...
So then it was a mistake for Hamas to wage a terrorist war on the
Jews instead of getting their own sovereign state?
Yassin is in Hell now, with eternity left on his sentence; deal
with it!


Michael

In us.military.army Nicky wrote:
"Oelewapper" wrote :
Admittedly, I am not very familiar with this particular kind of issues in
military aviation, but how can it be "legal" for the Isra?li occupation
force to send out US-made Apaches, to launch a couple of missiles on a 67
year old crippled, half-blind and unarmed man, leaving a mosque in a
wheelchair after having said his dawn prayers ?? What about the pilot's
responsibility ??

And what about the countries that are supplying and financing those
governments that are responsible for these "evil" state-sponsored - yet
IMHO
completely unlawful - brutalities ??

I think that is not major problem in this case. The problem is that they
don't care if they kill any civilians around.

Personally, I believe it is deliberate. 2 Years ago, on the eve of a
peace with Hamas, Israel dropped a 500Lb bomb on an apartment building in
order to kill one man - One of the men they had been negotiating with.

Talk about using a grenade as a fly swatter.


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"After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the
state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "

-Israeli founding father Ben Gurion

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http://www.memeticcandiru.com

In article Qtl8c.3160$%w2.1051@clgrps13,
wrote:

Personally, I believe it is deliberate. 2 Years ago, on the eve of a
peace with Hamas, Israel dropped a 500Lb bomb on an apartment building in
order to kill one man - One of the men they had been negotiating with.

Talk about using a grenade as a fly swatter.

....a tactic that works, saving both Israeli and Palestinian lives:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004855

"In the early months of the intifada, this macho pretense was sustained
by the Israeli government's tacit decision not to target terrorist
ringleaders, for fear such attacks would inspire massive retaliation.
Yassin and his closest associates considered themselves immune from
Israeli reprisals and operated in the open. What followed was the
bloodiest terrorist onslaught in Israeli history, climaxing in a
massacre at Netanya in March 2002. After that, Israel invaded the West
Bank and began to target terrorist leaders more aggressively.

The results, in terms of lives saved, were dramatic. In 2003, the number
of Israeli terrorist fatalities declined by more than 50% from the
previous year, to 213 from 451. The overall number of attacks also
declined, to 3,823 in 2003 from 5,301 in 2002, a drop of 30%. In the
spring of 2003, Israel stepped up its campaign of targeted
assassinations, including a failed attempt on Yassin's deputy, Abdel
Aziz Rantisi. Wise heads said Israel had done nothing except incite the
Palestinians to greater violence. Instead, Hamas and other Islamic
terrorist groups agreed unilaterally to a cease-fire.

In this context, it bears notice that between 2002 and 2003 the number
of Palestinian fatalities also declined significantly, from 1,000 to
about 700. The reason here is obvious: As the leaders of Palestinian
terror groups were picked off and their operations were disrupted, they
were unable to carry out the kind of frequent, large-scale attacks that
had provoked Israel's large-scale reprisals. Terrorism is a top-down
business, not vice versa. Targeted assassinations not only got rid of
the most guilty but diminished the risk of open combat between Israeli
soldiers and Palestinian foot soldiers."

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Could someone please tell me what missiles were used to kill Sheikh
Ahmed Yassin?

I'm thinking that the Israelis fired Hydra-70 rockets at him and his
handlers. I can't believe that they would have used Hellfires.

Thanks.

In us.military.army Erik Von Erich wrote:

I'm thinking that the Israelis fired Hydra-70 rockets at him and his
handlers.

It's widely mentioned that it was hellfires used. They save the Hydras for
use against kids.


I can't believe that they would have used Hellfires.

That's pretty standard for Israeli operations, particularly in Gaza.
It works something like this:

1) Find a target.

2) Lob the biggest posible bomb at him, ensuring maximum collateral damage.

3) Accuse him of "Hiding behind civilians".


Truly, I think it's just a thinly veiled subterfuge to kill as many
Palestinians as possible, thus pre-emtively ruling out any possibility of
peace, and saving Israel the chore of bargaining away it's hard-won
territory.


--
.................................................. ............................

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a
dynamic state, oriented towards expansion."

-Israeli founding father Ben Gurion

.................................................. ............................
http://www.memeticcandiru.com

wrote:

In us.military.army Erik Von Erich wrote:

I'm thinking that the Israelis fired Hydra-70 rockets at him and his
handlers.

It's widely mentioned that it was hellfires used. They save the Hydras for
use against kids.


I can't believe that they would have used Hellfires.

That's pretty standard for Israeli operations, particularly in Gaza.
It works something like this:

1) Find a target.

2) Lob the biggest posible bomb at him, ensuring maximum collateral damage.

3) Accuse him of "Hiding behind civilians".


Truly, I think it's just a thinly veiled subterfuge to kill as many
Palestinians as possible, thus pre-emtively ruling out any possibility of
peace, and saving Israel the chore of bargaining away it's hard-won
territory.

Very succinct, there, sport. Hightly succinct.

Grantland