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"Chad Irby" wrote :

It's funny how you say "little convincing" when they have to send their
walking bombs through a fairly intense brainwashing session, then pay
the families of those bombers a large reward for having their sons and
daughters blow themselves up.

Desperate people are doing desperate things against those who put them in
such misery. Those people had lost everything and their lives doesn't mean
nothing if their family will live little better after that.
After living in such misery a 1000$ is real Jack Pot.

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Alan Minyard wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:08:51 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Mostly because every time the peace process gets started, one side or
the other sends in suicide bombers.

Oh, wait, that's just the *one* side.

True, the Israelis use tanks and aircraft instead.

....as a response to an attack by the Palestinians, in pretty much every
case.

Same result either way.

Yep. The Palestinians are at fault.

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"Nicky" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote :

It's funny how you say "little convincing" when they have to send their
walking bombs through a fairly intense brainwashing session, then pay
the families of those bombers a large reward for having their sons and
daughters blow themselves up.

Desperate people are doing desperate things against those who put them in
such misery.

....like talking "slow" neighbor children (not their own!) into wearing
bomb vests, paying them the equivalent of $22, and sending them off to
blow up Israelis at checkpoints with a potential reward of 72 virgins.

Desperate people don't do that. Evil people do that.

Those people had lost everything and their lives doesn't mean
nothing if their family will live little better after that.

Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...30307.joyce.ht
ml

After living in such misery a 1000$ is real Jack Pot.

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.

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In article ,
"Nicky" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote :

It's funny how you say "little convincing" when they have to send
their
walking bombs through a fairly intense brainwashing session, then pay
the families of those bombers a large reward for having their sons and
daughters blow themselves up.

Desperate people are doing desperate things against those who put them
in
such misery.

...like talking "slow" neighbor children (not their own!) into wearing
bomb vests, paying them the equivalent of $22, and sending them off to
blow up Israelis at checkpoints with a potential reward of 72 virgins.

Desperate people don't do that. Evil people do that.

Those people had lost everything and their lives doesn't mean
nothing if their family will live little better after that.

Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...30307.joyce.ht
ml

After living in such misery a 1000$ is real Jack Pot.

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.


The profile of suicidal bombers has been changing lately. HOWEVER, I'm not
sure if the bombers in Palestine fit the profile that you mention above. I
think that was the profile for the 9/11 crew and other international
terrorists, not the people that strap bombs to their chest and walk into a
crowded area in Israel.

"Nicky" wrote in
:

"Chad Irby" wrote :

It's funny how you say "little convincing" when they have to send
their walking bombs through a fairly intense brainwashing session,
then pay the families of those bombers a large reward for having
their sons and daughters blow themselves up.

Desperate people are doing desperate things against those who put them
in such misery. Those people had lost everything

They fled the new state of Israel because the Arabs told them to,that the
Israelis would be "driven into the sea".Yet,Israel accepted the Arab
population,and actually has them represented in their government,something
you will NOT find in any Arab country. The Palestinians even tried to take
over Jordan(and Lebanon?) This whole problem was created and maintained by
the Arabs.No Arab country has or will accept Palestinians as citizens.







--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

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"LawsonE" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...30307.joyce.ht
ml

After living in such misery a 1000$ is real Jack Pot.

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.

The profile of suicidal bombers has been changing lately. HOWEVER, I'm not
sure if the bombers in Palestine fit the profile that you mention above. I
think that was the profile for the 9/11 crew and other international
terrorists, not the people that strap bombs to their chest and walk into a
crowded area in Israel.

Nope. It's a fairly widespread trend. The story quoted even mentions
it.

"At Princeton University, economist Alan Krueger has studied not only
bombers but the views of the Palestinian public on terror attacks aimed
at Israelis. Again, surveys found no link between poverty and
illiteracy and support for terror."

From an earlier paper:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/povterror.htm

"New research by Claude Berrebi, a graduate student at Princeton, has
found that 13 percent of Palestinian suicide bombers are from
impoverished families, while about a third of the Palestinian
population is in poverty. A remarkable 57 percent of suicide bombers
have some education beyond high school, compared with just 15 percent
of the population of comparable age."

The root cause of terrorism is not poverty, it's repression and
extremism.

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"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In article et,
"LawsonE" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
. com...

Actually, a lot of the bombers are more or less middle class, and not
particularly poor.


http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...30307.joyce.ht
ml

After living in such misery a 1000$ is real Jack Pot.

"As for the bombers themselves, Krueger says terrorist literature
indicates they are more likely to come from the ranks of middle-class
college students."

You need to reassess your opinions on this one.

The profile of suicidal bombers has been changing lately. HOWEVER, I'm
not
sure if the bombers in Palestine fit the profile that you mention above.
I
think that was the profile for the 9/11 crew and other international
terrorists, not the people that strap bombs to their chest and walk into
a
crowded area in Israel.

Nope. It's a fairly widespread trend. The story quoted even mentions
it.

"At Princeton University, economist Alan Krueger has studied not only
bombers but the views of the Palestinian public on terror attacks aimed
at Israelis. Again, surveys found no link between poverty and
illiteracy and support for terror."

From an earlier paper:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/povterror.htm

"New research by Claude Berrebi, a graduate student at Princeton, has
found that 13 percent of Palestinian suicide bombers are from
impoverished families, while about a third of the Palestinian
population is in poverty. A remarkable 57 percent of suicide bombers
have some education beyond high school, compared with just 15 percent
of the population of comparable age."

The root cause of terrorism is not poverty, it's repression and
extremism.


Not sure that that can be supported by what you said. The terrorists
themselves may be better educated than the norm (how many are college and
post-college graduates, BTW?), but the justifications they use for their
actions may be totally different than what you're concluding from their
backgrounds.

Repression and extremism may play an important role, but unless you can
convince someone its somehow *right* to commit a terrorist act, they wont do
it. WHY do people become convinced its ok to convince terrorist acts? My
guess is that guilt and anger ABOUT poverty may play an important part. Rich
kids, or well-to-do middle class kids are also the most likely to embrace
Communism, in my experience. Thats not because they're rich, but because
they feel *guilty* about being rich, or so I surmise.

In article et,
"LawsonE" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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From an earlier paper:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/povterror.htm

The root cause of terrorism is not poverty, it's repression and
extremism.

Not sure that that can be supported by what you said. The terrorists
themselves may be better educated than the norm (how many are college and
post-college graduates, BTW?), but the justifications they use for their
actions may be totally different than what you're concluding from their
backgrounds.

From the same cite:

"A remarkable 57 percent of suicide bombers have some education beyond
high school, compared with just 15 percent of the population of
comparable age."

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...
In article et,
"LawsonE" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
om...

From an earlier paper:

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/povterror.htm

The root cause of terrorism is not poverty, it's repression and
extremism.

Not sure that that can be supported by what you said. The terrorists
themselves may be better educated than the norm (how many are college
and
post-college graduates, BTW?), but the justifications they use for their
actions may be totally different than what you're concluding from their
backgrounds.

From the same cite:

"A remarkable 57 percent of suicide bombers have some education beyond
high school, compared with just 15 percent of the population of
comparable age."


Like I said, most communists I've met are from affluent homes. Guilt-ridden
and all that. Likely some of the same factors at work here.

In us.military.army Dave Holford wrote:
Does anyone seriously believe that if the state of Israel was destroyed
the Palestinians would not be in a savage civil war within a very short
time?

This does not justify the occupation.


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"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by
procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any
employment in our own country expropriation and the removal of the poor
must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly"

- Theodore Herzl, Ideological father of Israel,
(The Complete Diaries of Theodore Herzl, Vol I, 1895)

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