Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Orval
Fairbairn confessed the following:

No -- it is a much simpler answer. Since AL ANG was transitioning from
RF-84Fs to RF-4s, they would, naturally, place their most senior pilots
(Capt's, Maj's, Lt col's, etc) ahead of a lowly short timer Lt (he had
only a short remaining duty obligation) transferring in from Texas.

The pedant in me must point out, GWB did not "transfer" from the TX
ANG to the AL ANG. He merely got permission to drill in AL while
retaining his TX ANG affiliation for reporting purposes.

He didn't get permission.

His request was denied.

He left TX anyway.

He would have
ZERO chance of flying the RF-4 regardless of rank.

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Having said that, you are correct that a guy with very little
obligation left would NOT normally check out in the next airplane,
doing so adds another two or three years to your service obligation.

As I understand it, the RF-4 checkout program was several months long.
The AL ANG simply didn't want to use their resources on him.

Back then the B (as in Basic) course for Fighter/Attack/Recce pilots
was six months. The Tx (Transition) course for guys coming from
similar missions would run approximately three months...that's if you
attended RTU fulltime (back then that would have been with the 363d
TRW at Shaw AFB). Local checkouts, part-time would take longer.

But the proper conclusion is not that the AL ANG didn't want to use
their resources (RTU slots) on GWB, but rather GWB had ZERO reason to
expect/anticipate flying the RF-4. It's not applicable in his case.

Juvat

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"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:

He didn't get permission.

OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.

His request was denied.

But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.

He left TX anyway.

True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Juvat

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:



He didn't get permission.



OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.



His request was denied.



But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.



He left TX anyway.



True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...


This is one of the points that passes belief. I knew a lot of NG people
at that time who simply travelled back to wherever to drill. Sometimes
across most of the country.

josh halpern

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Josh
Halpern confessed the following:


This is one of the points that passes belief. I knew a lot of NG people
at that time who simply travelled back to wherever to drill. Sometimes
across most of the country.

Oh yeah, folks do it all the time. GWB simply didn't want to fly.

Juvat

In article ,
on Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:07:09 GMT,
Josh Halpern attempted to say .....



Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:



He didn't get permission.



OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.



His request was denied.



But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.



He left TX anyway.



True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...


This is one of the points that passes belief. I knew a lot of NG people
at that time who simply travelled back to wherever to drill. Sometimes
across most of the country.


And I also know of some who perform drill in the state they live in.
And one who performed drill and annual training outside the US.


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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:

He didn't get permission.

OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.

He received "permission" after the fact.

The document is posted at www.awolbush.com, it's dated after he was told
to reappear in Texas.

His request was denied.

But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.

See above.

He left TX anyway.

True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Not my intention.

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Juvat

--
"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748

"Tempest" wrote in message
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Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Tempest
confessed the following:

He didn't get permission.

OK...busted, I should have posted he had "permission" since apparently
some of his points were acquired in AL. I mean he does have some
points for Oct and Nov 1972, and Rufus G Martin, Maj TX ANG signed off
his points.

He received "permission" after the fact.

The document is posted at www.awolbush.com, it's dated after he was told
to reappear in Texas.

His request was denied.

But somehow he was able to get credit for drill periods in Oct and Nov
72 while in AL.

See above.

He left TX anyway.

True, but don't make it sound like he had to stay within the borders
of TX. That statement sounds like he was fighting extradition to flee
prosecution for some drug bust...[some will find the irony and or
humor in this...or not]

Not my intention.

Please re-read this paragragh I wrote...

The most likely scenario was that GWB put in a little (we're talking
VERY little) "VFR face time," but literally didn't do anything but
walk around unsupervised, drink coffee, have mock dog-fights with his
right hand shooting the watch on his left wrist while telling, "There
I was..." stories.

Juvat

--
"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748

This particular angle on the AWOL business makes the most sense to me.

It follows the "too stupid to be..." theme that Dubya has lived by.

Can't you just picture a definitive biography of GWB, with the chapters titled
as following?


Too stupid to be a preppy

Too stupid to be an Eli

Too stupid to be an ANG pilot

Too stupid to be an oil company exec

Too stupid to be a ...

....

...

...

...

Too stupid to be president.

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"Submariner" wrote:

It follows the "too stupid to be..." theme that Dubya has lived by.
Can't you just picture a definitive biography of GWB, with the chapters titled
as following?
Too stupid to be a preppy
Too stupid to be an Eli
Too stupid to be an ANG pilot
Too stupid to be an oil company exec
Too stupid to be a ...
Too stupid to be president.

But, somehow, this "stupid" man is running a massive, deeply complicated
conspiracy to take over the world, according to the same folks.

On the other hand, the "smart" people like Clinton and Gore spent eight
years *not* doing anything about the terror problem, yet the "dumb" Bush
is supposed to have fixed it in eight months...

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In om,
Chad Irby attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:

: In article ,
: "Submariner" wrote:
:
:: It follows the "too stupid to be..." theme that Dubya has lived by.
:: Can't you just picture a definitive biography of GWB, with the
:: chapters titled as following?
:: Too stupid to be a preppy
:: Too stupid to be an Eli
:: Too stupid to be an ANG pilot
:: Too stupid to be an oil company exec
:: Too stupid to be a ...
:: Too stupid to be president.
:
: But, somehow, this "stupid" man is running a massive, deeply
: complicated conspiracy to take over the world, according to the same
: folks.

no, there is no massive, deeply complicated conspiracy - but what there
is is not being coordinated by Bush. Karl Rove calls the shots.

: On the other hand, the "smart" people like Clinton and Gore spent
: eight years *not* doing anything about the terror problem, yet the
: "dumb" Bush is supposed to have fixed it in eight months...

you call strategic bombing, doubling the overall counterterrorism
budget, and tripling the counterterrorism budget specifically for the
FBI not doing anything? how about coming up with the original plan for
a Department of Homeland Security, which Bush scoffed at until 9/11?
how about capturing, trying, and convicting those responsible for the
original WTC attack in '93, even though Clinton had only been in office
for *38 days* when it happened?

there was no "fixing" the terror problem. but had he listened to those
in the know, 9/11 may not have happened. and after it DID happen, we
spent about 3 minutes in Afghanistan, where we knew some of the culprits
to be, and moved on to Iraq, which had exactly zip to do with the
attack. our fearless leader at one point called Osama a "non-priority,"
a quote that he'll never be able to run from.

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in other news, Bush has called Kerry a liar on public television. also,
Don King said Kerry had funny hair, and Jay Leno said Kerry had a big
chin.

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".impervious" wrote:

In om,
Chad Irby attempted to impart some wisdom, instead sputtering:

: On the other hand, the "smart" people like Clinton and Gore spent
: eight years *not* doing anything about the terror problem, yet the
: "dumb" Bush is supposed to have fixed it in eight months...

you call strategic bombing,

Blowing up empty training camps and an aspirin factory... with pretty
much zero results.

doubling the overall counterterrorism budget,

....for domestic terrorism and "cyberterrorism"...

and tripling the counterterrorism budget specifically for the
FBI not doing anything?

....in an attempt to catch domestic terrorists like McVey... not to
mention Clarke's myopic focus on cyberterrorism for a few years.

how about coming up with the original plan for
a Department of Homeland Security, which Bush scoffed at until 9/11?

How about it? A "plan" that was never implemented is just a piece of
paper. Much like the rest of the Clinton "efforts."

how about capturing, trying, and convicting those responsible for the
original WTC attack in '93, even though Clinton had only been in office
for *38 days* when it happened?

Since the FBI did that, with the help of an idiot terrorist who went and
tried to get his deposit back from the rental truck company...

....and then did *nothing* else. They didn't catch the people who
financed it, and let one of the plotters get away. To Iraq, of course
(whatever happened to "Iraq has no ties to al-Qaeda?").

there was no "fixing" the terror problem.

Not the way the Clinton/Clarke folks went about it.

but had he listened to those in the know, 9/11 may not have happened.
and after it DID happen, we spent about 3 minutes in Afghanistan,
where we knew some of the culprits to be,

Hey - isn't that the place Clinton fired a bunch of cruise missiles at,
and didn't accomplish anything? The place where we had at least two
different chances to kill Osama bin Laden, but Clinton and Clarke
decided not to?

The place where we went in and removed the Taliban, which was directly
supporting al-Qaeda, *after* Clinton left office? The place we've been
in for a couple of years now (not "three minutes")?

and moved on to Iraq, which had exactly zip to do with the
attack.

Other than sheltering al-Qaeda terrorists who took part in the *first*
WTC attack. And other nice folks, too (like Abbas, who died in custody
recently after being captured in Iraq, where he'd been living i comfort
for years).

our fearless leader at one point called Osama a "non-priority,"
a quote that he'll never be able to run from.

Funny... I can't find that quote. Maybe you're confusing Bush with
Clinton again?

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