Glider Crash in Shirley, NY

At 19:05 04 May 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 14:55 04 May 2013, wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
=20
recovers nicely once it departs.

Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs
to
=
initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin
to
r=
ecover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of opposite
ru=
dder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin
characteri=
stics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in
thi=
s accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades.

A fairly large number of German single-place glass gliders have similar
characteristics, albeit with somewhat lower control forces but the same
deflections required, particulary with the C of G in the aft part of the
range.


Which ones Chris? Both gliders I have owned come out just by thinking about
it. Discus B and ASW27.

Jim

At 06:32 05 May 2013, Jim White wrote:
At 19:05 04 May 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 14:55 04 May 2013, wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
=20
recovers nicely once it departs.

Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs
to
=
initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin
to
r=
ecover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of
opposite
ru=
dder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin
characteri=
stics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in
thi=
s accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades.

A fairly large number of German single-place glass gliders have similar
characteristics, albeit with somewhat lower control forces but the same
deflections required, particulary with the C of G in the aft part of the
range.


Which ones Chris? Both gliders I have owned come out just by thinking
about
it. Discus B and ASW27.

Jim



LS7, Ventus B & C (couldn't fit in the A so never tried it), ASW20 and
ASW24 (only at aft C of G), lots of others.

I flew my LAK-17a yesterday with 2 gallons of water in the tail tank, none
in the wings. The feel was definitely different on takeoff but not
difficult. At altitude, I lowered landing flaps and slowed to 40 KIAS
before the glider gently dropped the nose. A little release of back
pressure and I was flying again.

Spins are prohibited per the flight manual so I kept the rudder neutral.


"Chris Rollings" wrote in message
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At 06:32 05 May 2013, Jim White wrote:
At 19:05 04 May 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 14:55 04 May 2013, wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
=20
recovers nicely once it departs.

Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs
to
=
initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin
to
r=
ecover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of
opposite
ru=
dder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin
characteri=
stics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in
thi=
s accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades.

A fairly large number of German single-place glass gliders have similar
characteristics, albeit with somewhat lower control forces but the same
deflections required, particulary with the C of G in the aft part of the
range.


Which ones Chris? Both gliders I have owned come out just by thinking
about
it. Discus B and ASW27.

Jim



LS7, Ventus B & C (couldn't fit in the A so never tried it), ASW20 and
ASW24 (only at aft C of G), lots of others.