Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

Chad Irby wrote in
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Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's presence
at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately, Bush's transfer to
Dannelly was rejected.

--
"We gave Hussein a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them
in."
- George WMD. Bush, lying on July 14, 2003.

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Chad Irby wrote in
news
In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's presence
at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately, Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

The ANG would have folded on apeal, as all aviation is politics.

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Chad Irby wrote in
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In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's presence
at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately, Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET with a
unit at that location. That dental record *does* prove he was in a duty
status at the time; when coupled with the subsequent statement from the
retired contractor who recalls eating lunch with him during other drill
periods at the same location, relegates the "he never showed up" mantra to
the garbage heap.

Brooks


--
"We gave Hussein a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them
in."
- George WMD. Bush, lying on July 14, 2003.

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Chad Irby wrote in
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In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

--
"We gave Hussein a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let
them in."
- George WMD. Bush, lying on July 14, 2003.

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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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Chad Irby wrote in
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In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

GW was court martialled?

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Chad Irby wrote in
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In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of critical
importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP failure/failure to show up
for a drug test all "ancient history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the Bush
story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

Are you dumber than a stump, or what? What about the clause, "...in order to
perform ET" is it that you are having a problem grasping? Geeze.

Brooks

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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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Chad Irby wrote in
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In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of
critical importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP
failure/failure to show up for a drug test all "ancient
history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the
Bush story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET
with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

Are you dumber than a stump, or what? What about the clause, "...in
order to perform ET" is it that you are having a problem grasping?
Geeze.

Who gave him permission to do so? Or are you claiming that you don't need
permission? What does "ET" stand for? My understanding was that Bush
transfered (without permission) for "civilian occupation" - IOW the
campaign in Alabama. Either way, you still need permission. BUsh had no
permission. If he did, produce the document. I produced a document
clearly stating that his transfer to air reserve was denied.


--
"We gave Hussein a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let
them in."
- George WMD. Bush, lying on July 14, 2003.

"Republican Double Standard" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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"Republican Double Standard" wrote in
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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"Republican Double Standard" wrote in
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Chad Irby wrote in
news
In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of
critical importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP
failure/failure to show up for a drug test all "ancient
history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the
Bush story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET
with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

Are you dumber than a stump, or what? What about the clause, "...in
order to perform ET" is it that you are having a problem grasping?
Geeze.

Who gave him permission to do so?

Depends upon how the unit commander wants to run it. Not unheard of for one
of the FTM personnel to handle it on a routine basis. Should the commander
know the status of each of his subordinate officers in that regard? Yeah,
within reason. Does he always? No.

Or are you claiming that you don't need
permission?

Nope. My guy had permission--he was still counted as "AWOL" by his home
unit. In the end the time it took to get his OER corrected proved critical,
as he was passed over for promotion in part because he had no recent OER.
You folks who think the military is some kind of perfect operating
organization don't have a clue as to how screwed up the record keeping, not
to mention keeping track of the specific wherabouts of each and every one of
a slew of JO's under your command who are floating around between formal
schools, split assemblies, and ET can get.

What does "ET" stand for?

What? You have been hammering the guy because you THOUGHT this was all
definitely tied to his denied transfer request, and come to find out you
have no earthly idea what ET is? OK, I'll let you off the hook a
bit--equivalent training. Performed by a Guardsman who can't attend the
normally scheduled drills with his unit; may be performed either with the
home unit or another unit (as in this case). Not uncommon at all.
Unfortunately, in my experience, screwing up the tracking and recordation of
ET is also not uncommon.

My understanding was that Bush
transfered (without permission) for "civilian occupation"

Your understanding is wrong. He did indeed request a transfer, and it was
ultimately denied. Which is why he instead performed ET with that ALANG
unit. No special favors required--very common in the Guard.

- IOW the
campaign in Alabama. Either way, you still need permission. BUsh had no
permission.

Says you, with nothing to support that accusation. Either way, he ended up
performing enough duty days to be credited for good time through this
period. We know he performed training with the ALANG, based upon both the
dental record and the statement of the former unit member who recalled him
being there. Now, who in his chain of command was authorized to grant him
permission to perform ET? Did that individual inform the squadron and group
commander of that authorization? We do not know the answers to either
question, but experience indicates that the latter can be a "no". In the
absence of any reputable, definite proof otherwise, then the fact that he
ended up performing enough duty days to be credited with good time and to
get his honorable discharge weighs in his favor.

If he did, produce the document. I produced a document
clearly stating that his transfer to air reserve was denied.

Geeze, would you finally drop that stupid transfer argument? It is a
non-starter, for gosh sakes, Mr. "What's ET". As to documentation at this
point in time, over thirty years later--you have GOT to be joking. You think
the military has the capacity to store every scrap of paper, including all
of those equivalent training performance certificates, that is generated for
every servicemember for an infinite time period? Get freakin' real. The
admin minions scrub personnel records on about a yearly basis *while you are
still serving* and dump out the "no longer required" junk (if you are lucky,
it gets returned to you).

Now, using this same "if there is no paperwork remaining thirty years later,
then he is obviously guilty" argument you have so laborously constructed,
tell us again how you are gonna *prove* that JFKII performed *his own*
reserve duty? He was released from active duty early, and he himself has
claimed he then spent time in the USNR (while spouting off recycled BS from
the Winter Soldier Investigation and calling his fellow servicemembers war
criminals, no less)--so where is the documentation that he successfully
completed that duty? Huh?

Brooks

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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What? You have been hammering the guy because you THOUGHT this was all
definitely tied to his denied transfer request, and come to find out
you have no earthly idea what ET is? OK, I'll let you off the hook a
bit--equivalent training. Performed by a Guardsman who can't attend
the normally scheduled drills with his unit; may be performed either
with the home unit or another unit (as in this case). Not uncommon at
all. Unfortunately, in my experience, screwing up the tracking and
recordation of ET is also not uncommon.

Bush transfer request denial specifically said it was *not* equivalent:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc5.gif

"Application for Reserve Assignment, Bush, George W, 1sr Lt

"TAG Texas

"1. Application for Reserve Assignment for First Lieutenant Bush is
returned.

"2. A review of his Master Personel Record shows he has a Military Service
Obligation until 26 May 1974. Under provisions of paragraph 30-6 n (4),
AFM 35-3, an obligated Reservist can be assigned to a specific Ready
Reserve position only. Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an
Air Reserve Squadron."

signed by The Director of Personnel Resources on 24 May 1972.

BUt hey - maybe you should call this guy:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/03/27/cou...ial/index.html

Maybe you can tell him all about "ET"
--
"We gave Hussein a chance to allow inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them
in."
- George WMD. Bush, lying on July 14, 2003.

Republican Double Standard wrote:

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in
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"Republican Double Standard" wrote in
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Chad Irby wrote in
news
In article ,
Republican Double Standard wrote:

Why is that Kerry's statements to congress in 1971 are of
critical importance, but Bush AWOL/Desertion/HRP
failure/failure to show up for a drug test all "ancient
history"?

Because there are documents and witnesses to *support* the Kerry
story, but all of the documents and witnesses *disprove* the
Bush story.


Well, in fairness, there is a dentist who can corroborate Bush's
presence at Danelly at least one day in that year. Unfortunately,
Bush's transfer
to
Dannelly was rejected.

Meaningless. He did not require a transfer in order to perform ET
with

What? He didn't need a transfer order in order to transfer his active
duty? Then why did other guardsmen get court martialled for
"transfering" without orders?

Are you dumber than a stump, or what? What about the clause, "...in
order to perform ET" is it that you are having a problem grasping?
Geeze.

Who gave him permission to do so? Or are you claiming that you don't need
permission? What does "ET" stand for? My understanding was that Bush
transfered (without permission) for "civilian occupation" - IOW the
campaign in Alabama. Either way, you still need permission. BUsh had no
permission. If he did, produce the document. I produced a document
clearly stating that his transfer to air reserve was denied.

You're wasting your time.

The rightards are so blinded by ideology, they refuse to belief even the
most glaring of facts.

There'll be mass rightard suicides when Kerry wins in November.

--
"The tyranny of a prince is not so dangerous to the public welfare as
the apathy of a citizen in a democracy."
- Baron de Montesquieu, 1748