The Force will take over the F-35B?

Did lots of FARPS for 160th and the Air Force Spec Ops community in the MC.
Never did a LAPES drop, in fact we never did LAPES, period. I don't think
anyone in the TAC Lift community is even qualified anymore. Even back in
1991 in the U.A.E. waiting the first Gulf War I worked in the ALCC and we
were asked about airdrop quals, but nobody was qualified to do LAPES then,
at least in the wings I was controlling. We moved lots of MK-82's from
Masirah to points all around the peninsula.

Landing to offload munitions is the safest way.
--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)


"John S. Shinal" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote:

If they want to do a FARP, they have
a number of options

No expert I, but you should be able to use a LAPES style drop
(or rather, a bunch of them) to move a bunch of stuff in when setting
up a FARP. I imagine moving munitions that way is pretty hairy, but
it's probably workable in some fashion.




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"Les Matheson" wrote:

Interesting stuff, Les. I recall someone bouncing a Herk doing
a LAPES drop near Ft. Bragg some years ago - I think during a CAPEX.
It made the evening news, and perhaps there was a shift away from it
after that.



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"Les Matheson" wrote:

Interesting stuff, Les. I recall someone bouncing a Herk doing
a LAPES drop near Ft. Bragg some years ago - I think during a CAPEX.
It made the evening news, and perhaps there was a shift away from it
after that.

Early to mid 80s, and I think the vehicle it was dropping got stuck in the
back. I remember seeing footage of it..Was it possibly at an airshow too??


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

"Ron" wrote in message
...
"Les Matheson" wrote:

Interesting stuff, Les. I recall someone bouncing a Herk doing
a LAPES drop near Ft. Bragg some years ago - I think during a CAPEX.
It made the evening news, and perhaps there was a shift away from it
after that.

Early to mid 80s, and I think the vehicle it was dropping got stuck in the
back. I remember seeing footage of it..Was it possibly at an airshow
too??

No, it was during a CAPEX; the USAF used to do a LAPES demonstration every
summer during the Advanced ROTC Camp held at Bragg as part of the
joint/combined arms CAPEX (included CAS from A-10's using Mk 82's and 30mm,
attack helos firing about everything they could lug, heavy and troop
paradrops, 155mm and 105mm arty (with the latter brought in as slung loads
under UH-60's), tank and IFV engagement of targets downrange, mortar and
Dragon (now Javelin, I guess) engagements, and a light infantry LFX
culminating in sappers breaching an obstacle and demo'ing a bunker. I don't
recall anything about the load getting stuck--it was apparently and
unfortunately a case of pilot/crew error due to misreading their descent and
flare altitude. If you watch the video of the crash you can see they
pancaked in quite hard (flexure of the aircraft structure allows you to see
daylight through the upper fuselage as it strikes), bounced back up as if it
was going to make it back up, and then comes back down and fireballs.

Brooks



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

The Ft. Bragg/Pope AFB accident was a case of practicing the maneuver the
day before with an empty airplane, and a comment made to the pilot
afterwards that he was mot aggressive enough in the practice. Typical case
of "Hey guys, you want aggressive, watch this.."

--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)




"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Ron" wrote in message
...
"Les Matheson" wrote:

Interesting stuff, Les. I recall someone bouncing a Herk doing
a LAPES drop near Ft. Bragg some years ago - I think during a CAPEX.
It made the evening news, and perhaps there was a shift away from it
after that.

Early to mid 80s, and I think the vehicle it was dropping got stuck in
the
back. I remember seeing footage of it..Was it possibly at an airshow
too??

No, it was during a CAPEX; the USAF used to do a LAPES demonstration every
summer during the Advanced ROTC Camp held at Bragg as part of the
joint/combined arms CAPEX (included CAS from A-10's using Mk 82's and
30mm,
attack helos firing about everything they could lug, heavy and troop
paradrops, 155mm and 105mm arty (with the latter brought in as slung loads
under UH-60's), tank and IFV engagement of targets downrange, mortar and
Dragon (now Javelin, I guess) engagements, and a light infantry LFX
culminating in sappers breaching an obstacle and demo'ing a bunker. I
don't
recall anything about the load getting stuck--it was apparently and
unfortunately a case of pilot/crew error due to misreading their descent
and
flare altitude. If you watch the video of the crash you can see they
pancaked in quite hard (flexure of the aircraft structure allows you to
see
daylight through the upper fuselage as it strikes), bounced back up as if
it
was going to make it back up, and then comes back down and fireballs.

Brooks



Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)

"Les Matheson" wrote:

The Ft. Bragg/Pope AFB accident was a case of practicing the maneuver the
day before with an empty airplane, and a comment made to the pilot
afterwards that he was mot aggressive enough in the practice. Typical case
of "Hey guys, you want aggressive, watch this.."

Wasn't there something to do with practicing on a wide
runway/strip then doing the dirty on a narrow one?. Visual
perception would make you think that you were higher than you
actually were?...or am I thinking of another incident?. I believe
the RCAF had a LAPES accident too, don't recall much of it.
--

-Gord.