Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:54:48 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

None of which answers the question of when it became a standard feature, to
include being used in the ANG.

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:54:48 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

None of which answers the question of when it became a standard feature,
to
include being used in the ANG.

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

The early tests were easily passed by drinkers. Only non-drinkers ever
failed.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:24:30 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:54:48 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

None of which answers the question of when it became a standard feature,
to
include being used in the ANG.

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

The early tests were easily passed by drinkers. Only non-drinkers ever
failed.

Personal experience?G

It is strange nothinig is said about testing for drunks at the lab
site. Maybe it was an easier test and done locally.
Now that I have thought of it alcohol testing for everyone in 80 might
be the reason a SMS decided to bail at 22 years around that time. Only
guy I ever knew that had a beer keg in his refrigerator with a valve
on the door. I always figured if he was straight enough to attend the
commanders daily briefing I sure as heck wasn't going to say
anything...

"The drug panel had changed by the fall of 1981 to PCP, morphine,
amphetamines, barbiturates, cocaine, and cannabinoid (THC)."

This is the one that amazes me. I thought they were testing for THC
long before this. Might be the reason though when they brought the
dogs through a squadron barracks at K.I. Sawyer on a weekend it almost
wiped out the squadron. At least that was the word that spread quickly
around base on Monday. Or maybe it was just a rumor designed to cause
a mass flush off to get rid of the evidence in other barracks.

"Buzzer" wrote in message
...

This is the one that amazes me. I thought they were testing for THC
long before this. Might be the reason though when they brought the
dogs through a squadron barracks at K.I. Sawyer on a weekend it almost
wiped out the squadron. At least that was the word that spread quickly
around base on Monday. Or maybe it was just a rumor designed to cause
a mass flush off to get rid of the evidence in other barracks.

You should have seen the mess when Anderson had a base wide drug bust in
1977, if MMS had lost one more #3 man we would have fallen below EWO
minimums. It was not a happy time!

"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:24:30 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:54:48 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

None of which answers the question of when it became a standard
feature,
to
include being used in the ANG.

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

The early tests were easily passed by drinkers. Only non-drinkers ever
failed.

Personal experience?G

The tests were taken by a large population. In my 30 years of being subject
to drug testing I have never been tested.

It is strange nothinig is said about testing for drunks at the lab
site. Maybe it was an easier test and done locally.

In 1972 the USAF provided kegs for the troops. Even in the late 80s there
was usually a keg at the end of a FOD walk on Edwards.

Now that I have thought of it alcohol testing for everyone in 80 might
be the reason a SMS decided to bail at 22 years around that time. Only
guy I ever knew that had a beer keg in his refrigerator with a valve
on the door. I always figured if he was straight enough to attend the
commanders daily briefing I sure as heck wasn't going to say
anything...

"The drug panel had changed by the fall of 1981 to PCP, morphine,
amphetamines, barbiturates, cocaine, and cannabinoid (THC)."

This is the one that amazes me. I thought they were testing for THC
long before this. Might be the reason though when they brought the
dogs through a squadron barracks at K.I. Sawyer on a weekend it almost
wiped out the squadron. At least that was the word that spread quickly
around base on Monday. Or maybe it was just a rumor designed to cause
a mass flush off to get rid of the evidence in other barracks.

The THC test was readily masked by alcohol. These days pot shows up for 30
days in the US DOT test requirement, while cocaine only shows for three
days. If you are a locomotive operator or a pilot and want to get high
these day US DOT has created an incintive to use the hard stuff.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:26:54 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

The early tests were easily passed by drinkers. Only non-drinkers ever
failed.

Personal experience?G

The tests were taken by a large population. In my 30 years of being subject
to drug testing I have never been tested.

Not even for a job application?

It is strange nothinig is said about testing for drunks at the lab
site. Maybe it was an easier test and done locally.

In 1972 the USAF provided kegs for the troops. Even in the late 80s there
was usually a keg at the end of a FOD walk on Edwards.

USAF never provided a keg at any of the nine or so bases I was at from
63 to 82. I think it was after a couple B-52s made an around the world
flight at K.I. they brought a frig into maintenance debriefing with
beer for the returning crews. Sure as heck the enlisted debriefers
weren't allowed to sit there drinking beer with them. An EWO might
stop by with a couple cases of beer for the ECM shop after an ORI, but
it was pretty strict it was for off duty only. Even the major drinkers
like SSgt and above would wait at least 10 seconds after shift change.
Squadron or shop parties everyone chip in for a keg maybe. Really not
sure if they would buy a keg out of the coffee and donut shop money or
not. I remember AAFES started bitching about all the little squadron
coffee shop operations going on so they started a satellite operation
in the maintenance building..

Really a surprise they were still providing kegs in the late 80s.
Thought they had started the crackdown on drinking years before that.
I thought by that time membership in the clubs was falling and they
started merging the on base clubs and turning them into more of a
family atmosphere.

The THC test was readily masked by alcohol. These days pot shows up for 30
days in the US DOT test requirement, while cocaine only shows for three
days. If you are a locomotive operator or a pilot and want to get high
these day US DOT has created an incintive to use the hard stuff.

Doesn't cocaine show up in hair samples much longer than that? Maybe
have no notice haircuts?G

"Buzzer" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:26:54 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

The early tests were easily passed by drinkers. Only non-drinkers
ever
failed.

Personal experience?G

The tests were taken by a large population. In my 30 years of being
subject
to drug testing I have never been tested.

Not even for a job application?

Not even when I worked as a systems engineer at Everett.

It is strange nothinig is said about testing for drunks at the lab
site. Maybe it was an easier test and done locally.

In 1972 the USAF provided kegs for the troops. Even in the late 80s
there
was usually a keg at the end of a FOD walk on Edwards.

USAF never provided a keg at any of the nine or so bases I was at from
63 to 82.

That is really sad for you. We had one crew chief at Edwards that had to
quit his job when he could not come to work drunk anymore. He had been one
of the best on the flightline for a decade, but he was worthless sober.

I think it was after a couple B-52s made an around the world
flight at K.I. they brought a frig into maintenance debriefing with
beer for the returning crews. Sure as heck the enlisted debriefers
weren't allowed to sit there drinking beer with them. An EWO might
stop by with a couple cases of beer for the ECM shop after an ORI, but
it was pretty strict it was for off duty only. Even the major drinkers
like SSgt and above would wait at least 10 seconds after shift change.
Squadron or shop parties everyone chip in for a keg maybe. Really not
sure if they would buy a keg out of the coffee and donut shop money or
not. I remember AAFES started bitching about all the little squadron
coffee shop operations going on so they started a satellite operation
in the maintenance building..

Really a surprise they were still providing kegs in the late 80s.
Thought they had started the crackdown on drinking years before that.
I thought by that time membership in the clubs was falling and they
started merging the on base clubs and turning them into more of a
family atmosphere.

In the early 80's there were multiple barbaques with kegs every Friday at
2:00. By 1987 there was only beer for FOD walks and no more kegs in the
hangar. I believe they shut down AMPEX's wet bars around 1984.

The THC test was readily masked by alcohol. These days pot shows up for
30
days in the US DOT test requirement, while cocaine only shows for three
days. If you are a locomotive operator or a pilot and want to get high
these day US DOT has created an incintive to use the hard stuff.

Doesn't cocaine show up in hair samples much longer than that? Maybe
have no notice haircuts?G

As long as the hair is there.

"Buzzer" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:54:48 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

None of which answers the question of when it became a standard feature,
to
include being used in the ANG.

Seems to prove all the other articles that can easily be found by
searching google that give regs, dates and such aren't a bunch of
bull. The labs were in place by 1971 and testing increased
dramatically in 1972.

What other articles? All anyone has posted is repeated references to "April
1972", and then they provide a "source" like...Robert Reich??! Or that bozo
who claims he is a "1Lt Mission Pilot, retired"?! pardon me, but neither
seem to have much going for them in terms of being a reliable source for
when widespread drug testing began in the military in general, and in
particular in the ANG.

Brooks