Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:43:47 GMT, Buzzer wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:05:28 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
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by James Ridgeway
A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard
March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week:


http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431402242

Fairly interesting reading about Bush and what was going on in the
guard back then...

The story is a lie, the Texas ANG was conventional weapons only.

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

Hint: It goes way beyond "human reliability rules".

Al Minyard

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various
times from 1963 to 1982.

Hint: It goes way beyond "human reliability rules".

Not really. It isn't that complicated. What does seem to be
complicated is for people to realize back in the paranoid days of the
Cold War there were basically two ways of operating - war mode and
training mode. In war mode people might be operating out of their main
job (AFSC in the AF) as an augmentee. Aircraft might even deploy or
recover at other bases. Just because something wasn't done at the
normal everyday base doesn't mean it might not be done at the base
deployed to or recovered at. Actually I am surprised HRP wasn't a
requirement for certain guard personnel before 1972. Or to meet the
requirements at least in case they might deploy to another base where
they might carry a nuclear weapon. Lot of mights and ifs, but...

"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various
times from 1963 to 1982.

Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were
in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it
is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:16:48 GMT, "David Hartung"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various
times from 1963 to 1982.

Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were
in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it
is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons.

Well I am aware you seem to have left out my last paragraph.

It might have been some policy thought up by a 2lt behind a desk
somewhere in a secret location to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP. Just in case of a national emergency
where they might come in contact with certain weapons. Even though the
base they were presently at did not have those weapons. And even
though said weapons might have been locked away and forgotten by that
time according to sources on the internet.

to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP.

???? If HRP was like PRP, either you're on it or you're not. I'm not sure what
an HRP "pre-qualification" would look like? What responsibilities would you
have? Would you be able to see a physician besides a USAF Flight Surgeon? How
about going to a magic show and getting hypnotized?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 28 Mar 2004 12:19:58 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP.

???? If HRP was like PRP, either you're on it or you're not. I'm not sure what
an HRP "pre-qualification" would look like? What responsibilities would you
have? Would you be able to see a physician besides a USAF Flight Surgeon?

HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.

How about going to a magic show and getting hypnotized?

Not really sure in the 60s or early 70s. I don't remember hypnotism
coming up in the HRP/PRP program until the late 70s. Around the time
the civilian stop smoking and weight loss programs that used hypnotism
started appearing...

HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.

This is extremely difficult for traditional reservists and guardsman. PRP means
you can only be seen by an Air Force Flight Surgeon or, in the case of
emergency, seen as soon as possible following care from a non USAF Flight
Surgeon. Most traditional reservist and guardsmen do not live around USAF bases
and are not seen by *any* military physians let alone USAF Flight Surgeons.
Then there is the monitoring aspect of PRP. According to the program, you are
to be monitored by your commander as well as by your peers. How is your
commander to know if you have been under any unusual stress that should
preclude you from working around nuclear weapons if he only sees you one
weekend a month? The answer is, he can't. I'm not sure how these guard units
operated in the 60's and 70's, but today very few (if any) non-active duty
personnel are PRP certified. The B-52 Reserve Squadron has no nuclear mission
simply because of the PRP issue and this includes their ART guys.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"