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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:43:47 GMT, Buzzer wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:05:28 -0800, "Tarver Engineering" wrote: "Buzzer" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:39:58 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend wrote: by James Ridgeway A New Theory for Bush's Low, Low Profile in the Alabama Guard March 24 - 30, 2004 Mondo Washington this week: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040 http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431402242 Fairly interesting reading about Bush and what was going on in the guard back then... The story is a lie, the Texas ANG was conventional weapons only. "A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National Guard units in the 1970s." Another lie? You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you? Hint: It goes way beyond "human reliability rules". Al Minyard |
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote: "A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National Guard units in the 1970s." Another lie? You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you? I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various times from 1963 to 1982. Hint: It goes way beyond "human reliability rules". Not really. It isn't that complicated. What does seem to be complicated is for people to realize back in the paranoid days of the Cold War there were basically two ways of operating - war mode and training mode. In war mode people might be operating out of their main job (AFSC in the AF) as an augmentee. Aircraft might even deploy or recover at other bases. Just because something wasn't done at the normal everyday base doesn't mean it might not be done at the base deployed to or recovered at. Actually I am surprised HRP wasn't a requirement for certain guard personnel before 1972. Or to meet the requirements at least in case they might deploy to another base where they might carry a nuclear weapon. Lot of mights and ifs, but... |
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![]() "Buzzer" wrote in message ... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard wrote: "A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National Guard units in the 1970s." Another lie? You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you? I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various times from 1963 to 1982. Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons. |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:16:48 GMT, "David Hartung"
wrote: "Buzzer" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard wrote: "A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National Guard units in the 1970s." Another lie? You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you? I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various times from 1963 to 1982. Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons. Well I am aware you seem to have left out my last paragraph. It might have been some policy thought up by a 2lt behind a desk somewhere in a secret location to have some members of the National Guard pre-qualified for HRP. Just in case of a national emergency where they might come in contact with certain weapons. Even though the base they were presently at did not have those weapons. And even though said weapons might have been locked away and forgotten by that time according to sources on the internet. |
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to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP. ???? If HRP was like PRP, either you're on it or you're not. I'm not sure what an HRP "pre-qualification" would look like? What responsibilities would you have? Would you be able to see a physician besides a USAF Flight Surgeon? How about going to a magic show and getting hypnotized? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.
This is extremely difficult for traditional reservists and guardsman. PRP means you can only be seen by an Air Force Flight Surgeon or, in the case of emergency, seen as soon as possible following care from a non USAF Flight Surgeon. Most traditional reservist and guardsmen do not live around USAF bases and are not seen by *any* military physians let alone USAF Flight Surgeons. Then there is the monitoring aspect of PRP. According to the program, you are to be monitored by your commander as well as by your peers. How is your commander to know if you have been under any unusual stress that should preclude you from working around nuclear weapons if he only sees you one weekend a month? The answer is, he can't. I'm not sure how these guard units operated in the 60's and 70's, but today very few (if any) non-active duty personnel are PRP certified. The B-52 Reserve Squadron has no nuclear mission simply because of the PRP issue and this includes their ART guys. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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