Bush AWOL Story - New theory comes to light

"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various
times from 1963 to 1982.

Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were
in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it
is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:16:48 GMT, "David Hartung"
wrote:


"Buzzer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:03:16 -0600, Alan Minyard
wrote:

"A second previously unreleased document obtained by the newspaper, a
declassified Air Force Inspector General's report on the Washington
case, states that human reliability rules applied to all Air National
Guard units in the 1970s."

Another lie?

You really have no idea what the PRP programs are about, do you?

I only spent about ten years under HRP for some reason at various
times from 1963 to 1982.

Then you are aware that HRP certification was not necessary unless you were
in a job which put you in close proximity of specific weapon types, and it
is not known if President Bush's unit was tasked with these weapons.

Well I am aware you seem to have left out my last paragraph.

It might have been some policy thought up by a 2lt behind a desk
somewhere in a secret location to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP. Just in case of a national emergency
where they might come in contact with certain weapons. Even though the
base they were presently at did not have those weapons. And even
though said weapons might have been locked away and forgotten by that
time according to sources on the internet.

to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP.

???? If HRP was like PRP, either you're on it or you're not. I'm not sure what
an HRP "pre-qualification" would look like? What responsibilities would you
have? Would you be able to see a physician besides a USAF Flight Surgeon? How
about going to a magic show and getting hypnotized?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 28 Mar 2004 12:19:58 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

to have some members of the National
Guard pre-qualified for HRP.

???? If HRP was like PRP, either you're on it or you're not. I'm not sure what
an HRP "pre-qualification" would look like? What responsibilities would you
have? Would you be able to see a physician besides a USAF Flight Surgeon?

HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.

How about going to a magic show and getting hypnotized?

Not really sure in the 60s or early 70s. I don't remember hypnotism
coming up in the HRP/PRP program until the late 70s. Around the time
the civilian stop smoking and weight loss programs that used hypnotism
started appearing...

HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.

This is extremely difficult for traditional reservists and guardsman. PRP means
you can only be seen by an Air Force Flight Surgeon or, in the case of
emergency, seen as soon as possible following care from a non USAF Flight
Surgeon. Most traditional reservist and guardsmen do not live around USAF bases
and are not seen by *any* military physians let alone USAF Flight Surgeons.
Then there is the monitoring aspect of PRP. According to the program, you are
to be monitored by your commander as well as by your peers. How is your
commander to know if you have been under any unusual stress that should
preclude you from working around nuclear weapons if he only sees you one
weekend a month? The answer is, he can't. I'm not sure how these guard units
operated in the 60's and 70's, but today very few (if any) non-active duty
personnel are PRP certified. The B-52 Reserve Squadron has no nuclear mission
simply because of the PRP issue and this includes their ART guys.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
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HRP/PRP pre-qual would be just like you are in it.

This is extremely difficult for traditional reservists and guardsman. PRP
means
you can only be seen by an Air Force Flight Surgeon or, in the case of
emergency, seen as soon as possible following care from a non USAF Flight
Surgeon. Most traditional reservist and guardsmen do not live around USAF
bases
and are not seen by *any* military physians let alone USAF Flight
Surgeons.
Then there is the monitoring aspect of PRP. According to the program, you
are
to be monitored by your commander as well as by your peers. How is your
commander to know if you have been under any unusual stress that should
preclude you from working around nuclear weapons if he only sees you one
weekend a month? The answer is, he can't. I'm not sure how these guard
units
operated in the 60's and 70's, but today very few (if any) non-active duty
personnel are PRP certified. The B-52 Reserve Squadron has no nuclear
mission
simply because of the PRP issue and this includes their ART guys.

There are no nuclear capable Guard/Reserve units any longer (OK, the F-16's
and F/A-18's in the reserve components still are "nuclear capable", I
imagine, but not so tasked), so your assessment that PRP no longer applies
to the Guard is probably correct; AFAIK, the last such nuclear capable (and
tasked) units would likely have been maybe some of the corps-level artillery
outfits equipped with 155mm and 8 inch guns back in the days before the
1990-92 retirement of the Army's tactical nuclear rounds. But you bring up
an interesting question, as there 8were* nuclear armed Guard units around
not all that long ago--ANG F-101/106 interceptor units armed with AIR-2
Genie, and ARNG Nike Hercules units. The PRP program had to be handled
differently for those units, I'd think; knew a lot of guys who served in the
latter, and never heard of any overly taxing PRP requirements.

Brooks



BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

knew a lot of guys who served in the
latter, and never heard of any overly taxing PRP requirements.


Like I said, I'm not sure how they did it years ago, what I do know is the
challenge in maintaining PRP certified Guard or Reservists (traditional) must
now be considered too complicated...at least that's what the BUFF reserve guys
have told me....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"