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![]() "monkey" wrote in message m... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0600, "Boomer" wrote: yes Flankers have a switch which over rides the FBW limits, that's the only way they can do the "Cobra" manuever. Or you can simply apply an extra 33lb of stick force. That is a lot, the F/A-18 breaks out at 20 lbs. Not true - you are confusing this with aoa feedback in the stick above 20 alpha -to get more g than the programmed limiter (usually 7.5) you must engage the paddle switch, which will then give you 33% more g. I am refering to the force required to move the stick. My F-18 (AV6) had a swich on the left panel to cut out the FCS much like the MiG. move the stick for what? The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"monkey" wrote in message m... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0600, "Boomer" wrote: yes Flankers have a switch which over rides the FBW limits, that's the only way they can do the "Cobra" manuever. Or you can simply apply an extra 33lb of stick force. That is a lot, the F/A-18 breaks out at 20 lbs. Not true - you are confusing this with aoa feedback in the stick above 20 alpha -to get more g than the programmed limiter (usually 7.5) you must engage the paddle switch, which will then give you 33% more g. I am refering to the force required to move the stick. My F-18 (AV6) had a swich on the left panel to cut out the FCS much like the MiG. move the stick for what? The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. |
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![]() "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message m... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0600, "Boomer" wrote: yes Flankers have a switch which over rides the FBW limits, that's the only way they can do the "Cobra" manuever. Or you can simply apply an extra 33lb of stick force. That is a lot, the F/A-18 breaks out at 20 lbs. Not true - you are confusing this with aoa feedback in the stick above 20 alpha -to get more g than the programmed limiter (usually 7.5) you must engage the paddle switch, which will then give you 33% more g. I am refering to the force required to move the stick. My F-18 (AV6) had a swich on the left panel to cut out the FCS much like the MiG. move the stick for what? The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. I take it you never flew the airplane. |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message m... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "Steve" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0600, "Boomer" wrote: yes Flankers have a switch which over rides the FBW limits, that's the only way they can do the "Cobra" manuever. Or you can simply apply an extra 33lb of stick force. That is a lot, the F/A-18 breaks out at 20 lbs. Not true - you are confusing this with aoa feedback in the stick above 20 alpha -to get more g than the programmed limiter (usually 7.5) you must engage the paddle switch, which will then give you 33% more g. I am refering to the force required to move the stick. My F-18 (AV6) had a swich on the left panel to cut out the FCS much like the MiG. move the stick for what? The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. I take it you never flew the airplane. you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes (analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS system fails. Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not on it Tarver. |
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![]() "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. I take it you never flew the airplane. you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes (analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS system fails. Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra like a Flanker. Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not on it Tarver. I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of how an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator) |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. I take it you never flew the airplane. you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes (analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS system fails. Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra like a Flanker. Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not on it Tarver. I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of how an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator) OK, now I see where you are coming from - academically. It's taken awhile for me to see your viewpoint. Operationally, one never uses any mode except for CAS - there's no need to unless it craps out or you get battle damage resulting in it. Referring to the checklist, DEL ON, MECH ON, FCS CAUT, AIL OFF, FC AIR DAT, FCS HOT, FLAPS OFF, FLAP SCHED, R LIM OFF, RUD OFF are all considered EMERGENCY situations and are dealt with as such. I guess the test pilot dudes might play around with that sort of stuff, but never the line guys. |
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![]() "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... "Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ... "monkey" wrote in message om... The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system. Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock? I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes. I take it you never flew the airplane. you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes (analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS system fails. Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra like a Flanker. Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not on it Tarver. I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of how an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator) OK, now I see where you are coming from - academically. It's taken awhile for me to see your viewpoint. Operationally, one never uses any mode except for CAS - there's no need to unless it craps out or you get battle damage resulting in it. Referring to the checklist, DEL ON, MECH ON, FCS CAUT, AIL OFF, FC AIR DAT, FCS HOT, FLAPS OFF, FLAP SCHED, R LIM OFF, RUD OFF are all considered EMERGENCY situations and are dealt with as such. I guess the test pilot dudes might play around with that sort of stuff, but never the line guys. The line guys need to know the emergency procedure of breaking the stick out in order to be safe. The fact that you are still disputing that seems odd to me. |
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I take it you never flew the airplane. ....and I take it you never flew an airplane. |
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![]() "John Weiss" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote... I take it you never flew the airplane. ...and I take it you never flew an airplane. I flew the simulator, which puts me ahead of either of you WRT how the operator inputs work. Monkey was playing a little game and got caught, but I have never been one to believe pilots know how airplanes work. That would be silly. Of course these days the civil side of the system is beginning to drive out operator ignorance. It is something that should have been done long ago. |
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...
"John Weiss" wrote in message ... "Tarver Engineering" wrote... I take it you never flew the airplane. ...and I take it you never flew an airplane. I flew the simulator, which puts me ahead of either of you WRT how the operator inputs work. Monkey was playing a little game and got caught, but I have never been one to believe pilots know how airplanes work. That would be silly. Of course these days the civil side of the system is beginning to drive out operator ignorance. It is something that should have been done long ago. You know what Tarver you are a dick - first of all I'm not playing any games with you- I am who I say I am - not one of the things I've posted about the hornet from a pilot perspective has been incorrect (which by the way I can't say for you) I've yet to see any proof that you were ever involved with airplanes at all. Oh yeah, by the way, I've flown all sorts of sims from the old ones to the newest - and i haven't seen one yet that truly duplicates the experience of flying a jet, so don't go spewing crap like that - you'll be hard pressed to find a fighter pilot anywhere who would say that flying a sim is no substitute for real flying training. You're just going to **** off the aviators out here because I don't know one who would say he completely understands the Hornet FCS. But you know what, that's not our job - ours is to put bombs on target on time, and that keeps us busy enough without having to learn about stuff we don't need to know to get the job done. Tarver I don't care what kind of "simulated" stuff you've done in the sim...I'll be impressed when you strap on a real jet and take it out on a trip..but by the amount of time you spend on the net here I'll wager you don't get out of your cubicle enough to experience the real world. You need to learn that the miltary aviation business is a team effort...in my line of work not being a team player will get you booted faster than anything else. You don't see me or any other drivers spouting insults about support personnel, so perhaps you should extend the same courtesy to those who operate the equipment you (supposedly)support. Sorry to everyone else for the rant... I got into this forum to enjoy discussion about our profession and share some ideas, not to get involved in stuipd discussions with idiots who have self esteem problems. |
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