Hot Spark Ignition

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:52:11 -0500, "Larry Smith"
wrote:

Doesn't *SEEM* right?

Ja, Bob, that's retarded, relatively speaking.


WoW....
Here's a piece of solid engineering data
we can hang our hats on and put to good use.

Ja, Bob, and I'm not even an engineer. Does it tell you something that
spark timing on autos has "advanced" into this century while spark timing on
aircraft engines is mired up in the 20th?

What your reply tells me is --
until you are more engineer than lawyer...
lawyers know jack **** about advance
or timing... except as it applies to collecting
monies from clients and adversaries.

Inform Continental immediately of your discovery.
Save the world... and maybe a whale or two? g

You can be sure they've been playing, experimenting with something like
Unison's Lasar in their skunkworks wing.

SO?

Lightspeed Klaus used to advance timing on his O-200 to as much as 45
deg.
btdc. I wonder if he still does. I was just reading Klaus's
denunciation of the magneto as something of an ancient relic. I think I
agree with him.

1. Isn't Klaus's denunciation..... an infomercial?

Yeah, but if you've seen how his ignition will shoot a hot spark across an
.040 gap and fire fouled plugs a mag can't budge, you'd be sold.

I am sold.
I'm just not gonna write an outrageous check for an
upgrade that is not required and CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED
by my current airworthy application.

You may be a dumb **** that just gotta have the latest
and greatest to stay ahead of the Jones's. I *do not*.

2. Has not "thinking" gotten you into a ton of trouble, before?

Hell, no.

Klaus's ignition works.
So does the Electroair.

So do magnetos... at a far, far lesser price.

This is rec.aviation.experimental. Be in it.

Quit the cheap shots and condescending horse****. OK?
I've was in experimental aviation before you got out of diapers.

BTW, this is...... rec.aviation.homebuilt ---
Does anybody that takes issue with me know where they're at?

Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Variable timing ignition is more efficient, saves fuel, gets you there
quicker.

Let the spin stop for a moment.

Give me some hard numbers that I can take to the bank.
My calculator sez...it will take me a gazillions years to
recoup an investment in any upgrade priced like Klaus's
at the current price of auto fuel and the hours I fly per year.

Figure this, too....
When a Klaus unit drops dead and I can't find Klaus or I'm
cross country and need to get home what do I do? Buy
a standard magneto to get home and then mail the offending
high priced Klaus unit to the Republik of Kalifonia for service?
I'll pass, thank you.

As an advocate...
you ain't **** until you part with your cold hard cash for the
above product. Until you do, your call for me to join in
rec.aviation.experimental? is as hollow and empty as your
friggin' head. I own and fly experimental now and began it
with a Fly Baby in the early '60's and belonged to the EAA
when Rockford was the cool place to go.


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years of successful flight

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
Ja, Bob, and I'm not even an engineer. Does it tell you something that
spark timing on autos has "advanced" into this century while spark timing on
aircraft engines is mired up in the 20th?


What your reply tells me is --
until you are more engineer than lawyer...
lawyers know jack **** about advance
or timing... except as it applies to collecting
monies from clients and adversaries.

This reminds me of a conversation I witnessed between a sales guy and a
lawyer. The lawyer worked for a large firm on K street. He was in
charge of technology on a couple of really, really large cases which
involved the preparation and exchange of millions of pages of
information. The sales guy (a friend of mine for some years) had sold
the firm on a particular method of handling the documents
electronically. Things hadn't been going well. (In fact, that's why
the sales guy called my company in. We had, on a couple of previous
occasions, cleaned up the mess made by his company.) During a misguided
effort to "bond" with the lawyer, the following exchange occurred:

SG: Law fascinates me.
Lawyer: Hmmm.
SG: I always wished I had become a lawyer.
Lawyer: Hmmm.
SG: My father is a lawyer. And a diplomat. My sister is a lawyer. My
grandfather was a lawyer. It's really ironic that I'm not. I mean,
I've been surrounded by it all my life, and I've been influenced by so
many people, all lawyers. I can't really think of any better heritage
than to come from a long line of lawyers.
Lawyer: Is that so? You feel that being brought up around all those
lawyers made you a better person?
SG: Oh, absolutely. In subtle and not so subtle ways.
Lawyer: Yeah, well everybody in my family was an auto mechanic. I think
I f**ked up.

snip

I am sold.
I'm just not gonna write an outrageous check for an
upgrade that is not required and CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED
by my current airworthy application.

snip

Klaus's ignition works.
So does the Electroair.


So do magnetos... at a far, far lesser price.


snip
Variable timing ignition is more efficient, saves fuel, gets you there
quicker.


Let the spin stop for a moment.

Give me some hard numbers that I can take to the bank.
My calculator sez...it will take me a gazillions years to
recoup an investment in any upgrade priced like Klaus's
at the current price of auto fuel and the hours I fly per year.

Figure this, too....
When a Klaus unit drops dead and I can't find Klaus or I'm
cross country and need to get home what do I do? Buy
a standard magneto to get home and then mail the offending
high priced Klaus unit to the Republik of Kalifonia for service?
I'll pass, thank you.
snip

Some good points on both sides. The new stuff is great; the old stuff
is adequate to the purpose. The new stuff doesn't have decades of
provable success under its proverbial belt. But the old stuff doesn't
make use of anything we've learned in those same decades. Great
discussion, ****ing aside.

Bob, I know you're one of the old hands here at
deja.yahoo.flamebait.experimental, and its great to read a lot of your
stuff. But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of years
I was away, such that everybody started ****ing on you, or did you get
touchy? I'll go back and read the archives when I have time, but for
now, I'm just happy to have enough time to check in again.

Ben "still not caring whether you all get along, just curious" Sego

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:31:38 GMT, Ben Sego
wrote:

Bob, I know you're one of the old hands here at
deja.yahoo.flamebait.experimental, and its great to read a lot of your
stuff. But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of years
I was away, such that everybody started ****ing on you,

Ben "still not caring whether you all get along, just curious"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

beaming

Thanx for the back handed compliment, Ben Dover.
When you have time, please funrish your list of "everybody".
I'm sure it's a hoot and is a very fine list of all those that
have distinguished themselves both with credentials and
accomplishments we both admire in the field of aviation.

P.S.
Your slipping...
You didn't ask if I quit beating my wife yet.

Also..
This thread is for Hot Spark Ignition.
Got anything to add that's on topic?


Barnyard BOb -- over 50 years tolerating unsuccessful nit****s

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
beaming

Thanx for the back handed compliment, Ben Dover.
You're welcome, Mr. Urban.
When you have time, please funrish your list of "everybody".
Ah well, see that's where I'll have to go digging through the archives.
I don't really look forward to that. I used to be here (lurking,
occasionally posting) a lot, but then work and family issues took me
away from it. After a hiatus, I started visiting again, just after Tony
Pucillo died. That bothered me more than I would have thought such an
event might. I didn't know him like a lot of you did, having never been
sued by certain esteemed individuals, but Tony and I traded posts and
e-mails. So, after reading about his untimely passing, I didn't come
back for a while.

Then,I looked in a bit ago and read the message about Warren. I stayed
away for a couple more weeks.

Now, I'm by-God determined to stick it out. But I must admit that I'm a
bit worried that when I read the archives I'll find out that someone
else I "knew" died.

snip

Also..
This thread is for Hot Spark Ignition.
Got anything to add that's on topic?

Actually, I do, but now that I've rambled on about other things, I don't
have time to type it. I have to go pick up my kid from day care,
because Mom is off helping the her company help the ATF. Maybe, if I
can fit it in, I'll say something on topic later.

B.S.

Ben Sego wrote:

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
beaming

Thanx for the back handed compliment, Ben Dover.
You're welcome, Mr. Urban.
When you have time, please funrish your list of "everybody".
Ah well, see that's where I'll have to go digging through the archives.
I don't really look forward to that. I used to be here (lurking,
occasionally posting) a lot, but then work and family issues took me
away from it.

B.S.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What gives, BS?
Perhaps I'm reading you all wrong, but...

You keep insisting you have little precious time
for the r.a.h. group but yet insist on making me
the 'object of your affection' now and it looks like
into the future... now that you are "back".

I really don't give a rat's ass about you digging for
dirt about me in the archives and I doubt that anyone
else does, either. Why you should return as a man
on a mission gunning for me or anyone puts you in
a sad class all by yourself and has no place in this
newsgroup.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath, examine
your priorities and read what Holger has recently
written. If you continue to shadow me, I believe you
may find it a less than pleasant or rewarding experience.
This is rec.aviation.homebuilt, not wreck.bob.urban.
If you carry through with what is beginning to look
like personal harassment of me, I can assure you,
your ISP will receive a copy of every nuance you
utter in this group.

Have a nice day and attempt to enjoy some
healthy dialog with the others, if you can.


Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
Ben Sego wrote:

What gives, BS?
Perhaps I'm reading you all wrong, but...
Ah, well, perhaps I wasn't being clear.

written. If you continue to shadow me, I believe you
may find it a less than pleasant or rewarding experience.
I didn't mean to shadow you. Let me try again:

I used to follow RAH regularly, and post occasionally. I followed your
posts because 1.) They frequently had good information in them, and 2.)
they were sometimes funny. In that order; and thanks for both.

I'm interested in the idea of auto conversions, electronic ignition, and
electronic fuel injection. I _want_ those things to work out for the
homebuilt community. You have strong opinions on those issues, and a
lot of what you have written has made sense. It's made me question my
own position; rational discourse is a good thing.

This is rec.aviation.homebuilt, not wreck.bob.urban.

Got it. But you have to admit that it's kinda catchy.

If you carry through with what is beginning to look
like personal harassment of me, I can assure you,
your ISP will receive a copy of every nuance you
utter in this group.

I apologize if it looked like harassment; it certainly wasn't meant to
be that. When I said I would be "digging through the archives" and then
said "I [didn't] really look forward to that" I didn't mean that I
intended to go dig dirt on you. Those statements, and the wandering bits
that followed were meant to express these thoughts and feelings:

1. I used to follow this newsgroup.
2. I enjoyed doing that.
3. I haven't followed it in a couple of years.
4. Two times over the past two or so years when I did read the
newsgroup, I found out that one of the regulars had died.
5. I understand that instead of asking about past issues in a newsgroup,
you should search the archives first.
6. I obviously have missed much that went on here, and I can find out
about it by being told by someone who followed the group, or I can read
about it in the archives.
7. I am apprehensive that reading the archives will reveal more bad news
about regulars.

In my previous post, I said:

"But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of years I was
away, such that everybody started ****ing on you, or did you get touchy?"

Here is why I said that:
1. Your posts have been prevalent in some of the more acrimonious
exchanges recently.
2. I may have missed a significant issue (or at least a flame war) that
would explain some issues behind the exchanges, as I have in the past.
(Juan doesn't count; him I know about.)
3. By asking this question I might receive a useful answer from someone
about a topic to google out of the archives, as I have in the past. Two
years ago, Sydney told me to look up "galactically stupid." (You know,
that's pretty funny, written that way.) I was hoping there might be some
similar direction from someone.

That's what I meant. I apologize for any offense. If there's anything I
didn't cover that you do "give a rat's ass" about, let me know. Direct
e-mail works, or post here, or whatever. If there's something I'm doing
wrong, I'll certainly stop. My office contact information is on my
company website: www.methodin.com

I understand that in a dispute, it's not the responsibility of the
agrieved party to set things right. But it is helpful to the offender
to be told about the offense. So, if I'm doing the wrong thing, please
consider telling me what it is, so I can stop the offensive behavior.

B.S.

What gives, BS?
Perhaps I'm reading you all wrong, but...
Ah, well, perhaps I wasn't being clear.

written. If you continue to shadow me, I believe you
may find it a less than pleasant or rewarding experience.
I didn't mean to shadow you. Let me try again:

I used to follow RAH regularly, and post occasionally. I followed your
posts because 1.) They frequently had good information in them, and 2.)
they were sometimes funny. In that order; and thanks for both.

I'm interested in the idea of auto conversions, electronic ignition, and
electronic fuel injection. I _want_ those things to work out for the
homebuilt community. You have strong opinions on those issues, and a
lot of what you have written has made sense. It's made me question my
own position; rational discourse is a good thing.

This is rec.aviation.homebuilt, not wreck.bob.urban.

Got it. But you have to admit that it's kinda catchy.

B.S.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Catchy it is. g

Ben, I see you have a good heart.
My apologies for figuring you wrong.


BOb U.

snipped
Then,I looked in a bit ago and read the message about Warren. I stayed
away for a couple more weeks.


Which one was that? And why would it keep you away?

And while I am asking, why are some people surprised when others take offense
at being called names or are otherwise insulted or been rude to?

I have to believe it is a clash of cultures.
I am a Southener. Taught manners and the necessity of being civil in order to
live in peace with my fellow man. I would never call a stranger a vulgar name,
comment on his wife or PU truck etc. Unless, of course, I was ready to fight
him. When I give a person my word, I am honor bound by it. More so than a piece
of paper I might sign.
People from other parts of the country have a different take on life, it seems.

I stand when a woman enters the room, take off my hat/cap when in an elevator
with women aboard whereas in Chicago and some other places I have lived, to
give up your seat to a woman on the El or bus seems to be a sign of weakness.

Straight off the farm and off to Bainbridge MD Naval Bootcamp, 1944, I was
shocked to hear a NY type fellow call a lanky, rawbone fellow from Arkansas,
IIRC, a dumb HB or some such and not at all surprised when the Rebel decked
him. The Yankee was surprised, tho. After all, he had talked that way all his
life and for someone to take offense was unheard of where he came from.
I realize we are all still feeling our way in this new medium of communicating
and sooner or later we will all start conforming to the same standard.
My generation of the Old South will give way to others more tolerant than I and
the same will happen in other parts of the country. In the meantime, if you
insult me or call me names, I will just shake my head and try to smile. But I
cannot help thinking of you as an enemy from then on..
I wish you luck with your project, Mr Sego, and if I can help in any way, eMail
or post here.

Warren

On 17 Nov 2003 08:31 AM, Ben Sego posted the following:

Bob, I know you're one of the old hands here at
deja.yahoo.flamebait.experimental, and its great to read a lot of your
stuff. But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of
years I was away, such that everybody started ****ing on you, or did
you get touchy? I'll go back and read the archives when I have time,
but for now, I'm just happy to have enough time to check in again.

Ben "still not caring whether you all get along, just curious" Sego

All of the above. At this point who cast the first stone is less
important to the discussion than the matter of who has the biggest pair.

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"- Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:52:11 -0500, "Larry Smith"
wrote:

Doesn't *SEEM* right?

Ja, Bob, that's retarded, relatively speaking.