F15E's trounced by Eurofighters

Guy Alcala twisted the electrons to say:
One bomb from the Vulcan.

Well it's pretty much typical (IMHO) of Evan Brennan to make much of the
solitary bomb hit from the (3?) Vulcan raids - the reasons for which have
been well covered in in smn before - however it did occur to me that it's
curious that he regards the Vulcan raids as ineffective, yet believes
that Argentina held its Mirages back for air-defence of the mainland.
(Where they worried about ineffective raids on Argentina perhaps? :-)

[Guy: Obviously, risks worth taking in landing on a rough runway
during the war wouldn't be taken afterwards. One of the Argentine
C-130s almost crashed on takeoff during the war when a main gear wheel
hit the corner of the roughly-repaired Vulcan crater].

I think another possible factor is the differing fuel loads for a C-130
doing Stanley - Argentina, as opposed to Stanley - Wideawake ...
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Guy Alcala twisted the electrons to say:
One bomb from the Vulcan.

Well it's pretty much typical (IMHO) of Evan Brennan to make much of the
solitary bomb hit from the (3?) Vulcan raids - the reasons for which have
been well covered in in smn before - however it did occur to me that it's
curious that he regards the Vulcan raids as ineffective, yet believes
that Argentina held its Mirages back for air-defence of the mainland.
(Where they worried about ineffective raids on Argentina perhaps? :-)

He is a bit inconsistent;-) BTW, my ability to respond will be
limited for a few days. My 11 year-old monitor died Sunday evening,
going out in a blaze of glory. Well, maybe not glory, but let's just
say that seeing flames light up the computer case beside (and wall
behind) it convinced me that it was time for a replacement ;-)

[Guy: Obviously, risks worth taking in landing on a rough runway
during the war wouldn't be taken afterwards. One of the Argentine
C-130s almost crashed on takeoff during the war when a main gear wheel
hit the corner of the roughly-repaired Vulcan crater].

I think another possible factor is the differing fuel loads for a C-130
doing Stanley - Argentina, as opposed to Stanley - Wideawake ...

Possible, although the Argentine a/c were carrying much heavier cargo
loads into Stanley while going light on fuel. Fursdon, who flew down
from Ascension in July, flew in one of the probe and auxiliary-tank
modified C-130s. The forward part of the cabin was almost full of two
cylindrical fuel tanks, leaving just enough room on either side for
pax in the fold-up seats, while the rear was carrying cargo and pax.
It was also necessary for the a/c to tank twice on the way down, to
give them enough fuel in case they had to abort the mission for
weather and return to Ascension. The trip was about 14 hours one-way,
and one of the RAF loadmasters told Fursdon that one of the a/c had
required three round-trips before it was finally able to land at
Stanley, aborting over the airfield on both of the incomplete
missions. 28 hours straight in a Herc would tax just about any
passenger, and to have to do it three times in a short period would
definitely not be on my wish list.

Guy

Possible, although the Argentine a/c were carrying much heavier cargo
loads into Stanley while going light on fuel. Fursdon, who flew down
from Ascension in July, flew in one of the probe and auxiliary-tank
modified C-130s. The forward part of the cabin was almost full of two
cylindrical fuel tanks, leaving just enough room on either side for
pax in the fold-up seats, while the rear was carrying cargo and pax.
It was also necessary for the a/c to tank twice on the way down, to
give them enough fuel in case they had to abort the mission for
weather and return to Ascension. The trip was about 14 hours one-way,
and one of the RAF loadmasters told Fursdon that one of the a/c had
required three round-trips before it was finally able to land at
Stanley, aborting over the airfield on both of the incomplete
missions. 28 hours straight in a Herc would tax just about any
passenger, and to have to do it three times in a short period would
definitely not be on my wish list.

Guy

It is fascinating that the only supply chain for spares to the task force in
1982 was to fly the spare part to Wideawake, then do the 28 hour round trip
by C130 (with multiple refuelings from Victors) to drop the part in a water
tight bag (and float) to be picked up by a RN helo and transfered to the
required ship!! It was of note that the maximum speed of the C130 was below
the stall speed of a Victor unless both were in a dive - so that's how you
refueled. The RN was kept fully operational in this manner with no ships
falling out of the line for lack of spares! It is a bit like invading Japan
from California with only the Midway airfield available in the middle!

David

"David Nicholls" wrote in message ...

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It is fascinating that the only supply chain for spares to the task force in
1982 was to fly the spare part to Wideawake, then do the 28 hour round trip
by C130 (with multiple refuelings from Victors) to drop the part in a water
tight bag (and float) to be picked up by a RN helo and transfered to the
required ship!! It was of note that the maximum speed of the C130 was below
the stall speed of a Victor unless both were in a dive - so that's how you
refueled. The RN was kept fully operational in this manner with no ships
falling out of the line for lack of spares! It is a bit like invading Japan
from California with only the Midway airfield available in the middle!

I've always thought that the RN could have really used something like
a V-22 COD in 1982. The ability to land vertically on a large number
of ships would sure make a lot of sense for those countries that can't
afford a CTOL carrier. KV-22 tankers would have really made things
sweet, because that would have allowed the V-22 CODs to land on many
ships midway between Ascension and the TF, or even land and refuel at
Tristan da Cunha'. If the a/c has to take off vertically, limiting
its fuel load, it can immediately top-off from the KV-22 (which would
also takeoff vertically from the same place), eliminating all that
tedious round-trip flying to and from Ascension by Victors and/or
C-130s.

Guy

On 30 Mar 2004 19:31:11 -0800, (Guy alcala)
wrote:

He is a bit inconsistent;-) BTW, my ability to respond will be
limited for a few days. My 11 year-old monitor died Sunday evening,
going out in a blaze of glory. Well, maybe not glory, but let's just
say that seeing flames light up the computer case beside (and wall
behind) it convinced me that it was time for a replacement ;-)

Typically spurious rationale advanced to justify further
slef-indulgent PC equipment purchases to a sceptical wife. We've all
been there. Extra marks for the flames though - very convincing
touch.

Gavin Bailey

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Now see message: "Boot sector corrupt. System halted. All data lost."
Spend thousands of dollar on top grade windows system. Result better
than expected. What your problem? - Bart Kwan En

Presidente Alcazar wrote in message . ..
On 30 Mar 2004 19:31:11 -0800, (Guy alcala)
wrote:

He is a bit inconsistent;-) BTW, my ability to respond will be
limited for a few days. My 11 year-old monitor died Sunday evening,
going out in a blaze of glory. Well, maybe not glory, but let's just
say that seeing flames light up the computer case beside (and wall
behind) it convinced me that it was time for a replacement ;-)

Typically spurious rationale advanced to justify further
slef-indulgent PC equipment purchases to a sceptical wife.

I will deny, to the last breath in my body, that my rationale is
spurious, that I'm being self-indulgent, and that I have a wife,
sceptical or otherwise. I have sedulously avoided such legal
complications, preferring my relationships to
be of a more informal (and non-legally-binding) nature ;-)

Guy

On 31 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0800, (Guy alcala)
wrote:

Typically spurious rationale advanced to justify further
slef-indulgent PC equipment purchases to a sceptical wife.

I will deny, to the last breath in my body, that my rationale is
spurious, that I'm being self-indulgent, and that I have a wife,
sceptical or otherwise.

For most unmarried men, the bank manager performs a similar function
when it comes to quashing fond dreams with the icy blast of stern
disapproval, backed by desolate financial reality.

I have sedulously avoided such legal
complications, preferring my relationships to
be of a more informal (and non-legally-binding) nature ;-)

I should give an honourable mention to my brother at this point, whose
valiant attempt to infiltrate a new, ridiculously over-spec PC into
his house after a subtle re-badging of the casing with the label for
an entry-level workstation so narrowly failed to escape the eternal
vigilance of the domestic management.

Gavin Bailey


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Now see message: "Boot sector corrupt. System halted. All data lost."
Spend thousands of dollar on top grade windows system. Result better
than expected. What your problem? - Bart Kwan En

In article , Presidente
Alcazar writes
On 31 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0800, (Guy alcala)
wrote:

Typically spurious rationale advanced to justify further
slef-indulgent PC equipment purchases to a sceptical wife.

I will deny, to the last breath in my body, that my rationale is
spurious, that I'm being self-indulgent, and that I have a wife,
sceptical or otherwise.

For most unmarried men, the bank manager performs a similar function
when it comes to quashing fond dreams with the icy blast of stern
disapproval, backed by desolate financial reality.

I have sedulously avoided such legal
complications, preferring my relationships to
be of a more informal (and non-legally-binding) nature ;-)

I should give an honourable mention to my brother at this point, whose
valiant attempt to infiltrate a new, ridiculously over-spec PC into
his house after a subtle re-badging of the casing with the label for
an entry-level workstation so narrowly failed to escape the eternal
vigilance of the domestic management.

Gavin Bailey


--

Now see message: "Boot sector corrupt. System halted. All data lost."
Spend thousands of dollar on top grade windows system. Result better
than expected. What your problem? - Bart Kwan En

You chaps have got it all wrong!

SWMBO relies on her PC for her work (as I do on mine), so it has to be
reasonably fast. She's also heavily into digital photography, so needs
plenty of power for that. Her latest idea is a digital camcorder (first
grandbrat on the way), so even more oomph will be needed for editing. I
just need to convince her that she needs the GBP 750 one, not the GBP
250 type. Extensive testing at Duxford will be called for.

My PC is a tad slower, but has the memory for scanning.

Last monitor that failed on me just emitted a plume of smoke and a nasty
smell, but no flames, I'm glad to say.

So no problems with SWMBO on the PC front, but aviation books are
another matter...
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

Peter Twydell wrote:

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Last monitor that failed on me just emitted a plume of smoke and a nasty
smell, but no flames, I'm glad to say.

Nasty smell is right. Long after I'd shut it off the smell was still very
strong, leading me to suspect that it was toxic and/or that there was some
insulation still smoldering inside. Since it was a bit cold that night, and
leaving the window and front door open to get maximum flow through was a bad
option, I finally just stuck the whole thing outside. I don't know what
kind of chemicals are in that stuff, but I know I don't want to breathe it.

Guy

Presidente Alcazar wrote:

On 31 Mar 2004 18:51:14 -0800, (Guy alcala)
wrote:

Typically spurious rationale advanced to justify further
slef-indulgent PC equipment purchases to a sceptical wife.

I will deny, to the last breath in my body, that my rationale is
spurious, that I'm being self-indulgent, and that I have a wife,
sceptical or otherwise.

For most unmarried men, the bank manager performs a similar function
when it comes to quashing fond dreams with the icy blast of stern
disapproval, backed by desolate financial reality.

I'm a simple man, Senyor Presidente (how does one get a tilde over an n in
text-only?) I don't require the latest and most expensive, just what
works. As it happens, a friend knew of a friend of his who had a 17"
monitor he'd been meaning to get rid of, and who gave it to me. My old
monitor was a 15" and 17" is bigger than I need (my friend even offered me
his 22" monitor gratis as he's upgrading, but I have absolutely nowhere to
put such a behemoth). You can't get 15" monitors nowadays and besides, who
am I to look a gift in the mouth. Turns out the thing wouldn't turn on when
I got it home, so back to square one. And then, while I was out on a walk
this afternoon, not three blocks from my place I came upon a computer desk
with a NEC 17" monitor sitting on top of it on the curb, with a
hand-printed sign reading "Free" on a piece of cardboard. Hustling home I
got my car and brought the monitor home, plugged it in and connected it up,
and I'm back in business. It's not quite as clear as my old monitor, but
it works just fine, and the price was right. ;-) It's nice to live so
close to Silicon Valley and be surrounded by large numbers of people who
find getting rid of their "old", now worthless (for such is the pace of
change) but perfectly functional monitors to be a major hassle, and who ask
nothing more of you than that you take it off their hands. Now all I've
got to do is get rid of two broken monitors ;-)

Guy