Flanker vs F-15

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0600, "Boomer"

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yes Flankers have a switch which over rides the FBW limits,
that's
the
only
way they can do the "Cobra" manuever.

Or you can simply apply an extra 33lb of stick force.

That is a lot, the F/A-18 breaks out at 20 lbs.

Not true - you are confusing this with aoa feedback in the stick
above
20 alpha -to get more g than the programmed limiter (usually 7.5)
you
must engage the paddle switch, which will then give you 33% more
g.

I am refering to the force required to move the stick. My F-18
(AV6) had a
swich on the left panel to cut out the FCS much like the MiG.

move the stick for what?

The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system.

Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock?

I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would
EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes.

I take it you never flew the airplane.

you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe
clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes
(analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS
system fails. Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes
only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get
on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not
on it Tarver.

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The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system.

Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock?

I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would
EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes.

I take it you never flew the airplane.

you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe
clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes
(analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS
system fails.

Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra like a
Flanker.

Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes
only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get
on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not
on it Tarver.

I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of how
an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator)

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The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control system.

Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock?

I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you would
EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes.

I take it you never flew the airplane.

you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe
clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes
(analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS
system fails.

Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra like a
Flanker.

Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes
only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get
on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not
on it Tarver.

I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of how
an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator)

OK, now I see where you are coming from - academically. It's taken
awhile for me to see your viewpoint. Operationally, one never uses any
mode except for CAS - there's no need to unless it craps out or you
get battle damage resulting in it. Referring to the checklist, DEL ON,
MECH ON, FCS CAUT, AIL OFF, FC AIR DAT, FCS HOT, FLAPS OFF, FLAP
SCHED, R LIM OFF, RUD OFF are all considered EMERGENCY situations and
are dealt with as such. I guess the test pilot dudes might play around
with that sort of stuff, but never the line guys.

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The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control
system.

Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock?

I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you
would
EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes.

I take it you never flew the airplane.

you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe
clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes
(analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS
system fails.

Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra
like a
Flanker.

Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes
only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get
on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not
on it Tarver.

I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of
how
an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator)

OK, now I see where you are coming from - academically. It's taken
awhile for me to see your viewpoint. Operationally, one never uses any
mode except for CAS - there's no need to unless it craps out or you
get battle damage resulting in it. Referring to the checklist, DEL ON,
MECH ON, FCS CAUT, AIL OFF, FC AIR DAT, FCS HOT, FLAPS OFF, FLAP
SCHED, R LIM OFF, RUD OFF are all considered EMERGENCY situations and
are dealt with as such. I guess the test pilot dudes might play around
with that sort of stuff, but never the line guys.

The line guys need to know the emergency procedure of breaking the stick out
in order to be safe. The fact that you are still disputing that seems odd
to me.

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The stick moves to operate the cable actuated system control
system.

Do you know the airplane at all, monkey sock?

I'm actually talking about CAS - the only FCS configuration you
would
EVER fight the Hornet in - not DEL or MECH modes.

I take it you never flew the airplane.

you know what- I' don't need to justify what I've done to some wannabe
clown- if you've flown it you would know that all the DEL modes
(analog, digital, etc)and MECH are backup modes only for when the CAS
system fails.

Or when CAS is switched out. Which is the way an F-18 can do a cobra
like a
Flanker.

Besides, I'm on this board for entertainment purposes
only - the one I read for real professional discussion, you can't get
on unless you can prove you're a military pilot. I noticed you're not
on it Tarver.

I did however design the HARV simulator at NASA and I am well aware of
how
an F/A-18 works. (first accurate F/A-18 simulator)

OK, now I see where you are coming from - academically. It's taken
awhile for me to see your viewpoint. Operationally, one never uses any
mode except for CAS - there's no need to unless it craps out or you
get battle damage resulting in it. Referring to the checklist, DEL ON,
MECH ON, FCS CAUT, AIL OFF, FC AIR DAT, FCS HOT, FLAPS OFF, FLAP
SCHED, R LIM OFF, RUD OFF are all considered EMERGENCY situations and
are dealt with as such. I guess the test pilot dudes might play around
with that sort of stuff, but never the line guys.

The line guys need to know the emergency procedure of breaking the stick out
in order to be safe. The fact that you are still disputing that seems odd
to me.
NO. In my air force we have been flying the Hornet for over 20 years.
I can't speak for the USN guys, but our jet does not even have a
switch to turn off CAS - except for FCE 1, 2, 3, 4, CBs. When you talk
about the switch on the "left" there is FCS reset or GAIN ORIDE, which
just controls LEF and TEF. I also took a look in more detail at the
PCL and there is NO emergency in which the system would be disable by
the pilot - it automatically reverts. I'm also not sure about the USN
jet but ours is pretty much alpha unlimited in normal operation. If
you're talking about the g limiter/paddle switch I understand- but i
think you are confusing test bed features with production aircraft.
I'll tell you what, we have a Marine exchange O on our sqn, I will
talk to him tomorrow about their EPs.

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NO. In my air force we have been flying the Hornet for over 20 years.
I can't speak for the USN guys, but our jet does not even have a
switch to turn off CAS - except for FCE 1, 2, 3, 4, CBs.

That does not mean that CAS can never fail and that alone causes your
training to be unsafe for that case. Unless of course you mean that you do
not fly the hornet and never have. Much like a Turkish 757 pilot with
static port problems thinking the pitot static system is based on pitot
tubes and the airspeed can't be doing what it is; right into the drink.

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NO. In my air force we have been flying the Hornet for over 20 years.
I can't speak for the USN guys, but our jet does not even have a
switch to turn off CAS - except for FCE 1, 2, 3, 4, CBs.

That does not mean that CAS can never fail and that alone causes your
training to be unsafe for that case. Unless of course you mean that you do
not fly the hornet and never have. Much like a Turkish 757 pilot with
static port problems thinking the pitot static system is based on pitot
tubes and the airspeed can't be doing what it is; right into the drink.

you know what dude, I'm tired of you and your pigheaded opinions - I
don't see why you have this need to continually act like an ass and
try to condescend people - I have absolutely NO need to justify myself
to you - I notice that you make a lot of posts, so I guess your "job"
doesn't keep you busy enough. The only reason I can think for your
argumentative nature is this forum helps you out with your "small
rocket' syndrome - see ya, clown.