Help needed at Mifflin.

Best of luck.
BTW, every time you see a turbine/windmill stationary, it is SUCKING POWER from the grid to maintain internal power needs.

On Monday, October 7, 2013 3:04:37 AM UTC+2, Roy Clark, "B6" wrote:
Best of luck.

BTW, every time you see a turbine/windmill stationary, it is SUCKING POWER from the grid to maintain internal power needs.

I am shocked to hear that! That is incredible! Do you know how much these turbines suck from the grid while standing still??

Probably 30 amps... Enough to keep the itself aligned it into the wind and to adjust the blades (X 100's of turbines in each farm). The motors required to manage those tasks are not small! If you ever stand near one while they are stopped and trying to re-"spin" you learn that they are working fairly hard, constantly adjusting the blade heading and blade angle. Also, the turbine only engages and produce net power once a certain amount of blade speed (power) is achieved. This speed is higher than most realize. So all the alignment and blade changes at low speed are also from power being sucked off the grid. At low speed the blade is just free wheeling with no power being produced.

We have a huge "windfarm" to the NE of Ionia near Alma Michigan. We fly over it often. Probably 150 - 200 generators. Personally, I refer to this region as the field of death" or the "bird scrambler farm"! The ground around them is literally littered with dead birds. I would fear greatly for the soaring birds in the Mifflin habitat. Were is the EPA on this one? Hmmm? Sure, its a big problem when you endanger the spotted owl (in any capitalist endeavor)...but when hundreds of hawks and other birds are ensured of a brutal inhumane death every month per wind turbine blade strikes its overlooked because its a liberal project.

Enjoy the death of birds at the hand of green energy liberals below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwVz5hdAMGU

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...cifixes/page/2

http://now.msn.com/bird-hits-wind-tu...lled-instantly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...twitchers.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=bird...ih=62 9&dpr=2

The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one? Hmmmm? Tens of thousands on INNOCENT BIRDS are dying each and every day! Their blood is on your hands!

Probably 30 amps... Enough to keep itself aligned it into the wind and to adjust the blades (X 100's of turbines in each farm). The motors required to manage those tasks are not small! If you ever stand near one while they are stopped and trying to re-"spin" you learn that they are working fairly hard, constantly adjusting the blade heading and blade angle. Also, the turbine only engages and produce net power once a certain amount of blade speed (power) is achieved. This speed is higher than most realize. So all the alignment and blade changes at low speed are also from power being sucked off the grid. At low speed the blade is just free wheeling with no power being produced.

We have a huge "windfarm" to the NE of Ionia near Alma Michigan. We fly over it often. Probably 150 - 200 generators. Personally, I refer to this region as the field of death" or the "bird scrambler farm"! The ground around them is literally littered with dead birds. I would fear greatly for the soaring birds in the Mifflin habitat. Were is the EPA on this one? Hmmm? Sure, its a big problem when you endanger the spotted owl (in any capitalist endeavor)...but when hundreds of hawks and other birds are ensured of a brutal inhumane death every month per wind turbine blade strikes its overlooked because its a liberal project.

Enjoy the death of birds at the hand of green energy liberals below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwVz5hdAMGU

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...cifixes/page/2

http://now.msn.com/bird-hits-wind-tu...lled-instantly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...twitchers.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=bird...ih=62 9&dpr=2

The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one? Hmmmm? Tens of thousands on INNOCENT BIRDS are dying each and every day! Their blood is on your hands!

Probably 30 amps... Enough to keep itself aligned into the wind and to adjust the blade pitch (X 100's of turbines in each farm). The motors required to manage those tasks are not small! Nor is the power required to run those motors and manage the electronics required to operate the systems. If you ever stand near one while they are stopped and trying to re-"spin" you learn that they are working fairly hard, constantly adjusting the blade heading and blade angle. Even while running in a strong wind, the turbine makes many corrections each minute in blade pitch and probably in turbine drag.. All requiring significant power.

Also, the turbine only engages and produce net power once a certain amount of blade speed (net power) is achieved. This speed is higher than most realize. So, even all the alignment and blade changes at low speed are also from power being sucked off the grid. In other words, at low speed the blade is just free wheeling with no power being produced.

We have a huge "windfarm" to the NE of Ionia near Alma Michigan. We fly over it often. Probably 150 - 200 generators. Personally, I refer to this region as the field of death" or the "bird scrambler farm"! The ground around them is literally littered with dead birds. I would fear greatly for the soaring birds in the Mifflin habitat. Were is the EPA on this one? Hmmm? Sure, its a big problem when you endanger the spotted owl (in any capitalist endeavor)...but when hundreds of hawks and other birds are ensured of a brutal inhumane death every month per wind turbine blade strikes its overlooked because its a liberal project.

Enjoy the death of birds at the hand of green energy liberals below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwVz5hdAMGU

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...cifixes/page/2

http://now.msn.com/bird-hits-wind-tu...lled-instantly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...twitchers.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=bird...ih=62 9&dpr=2

The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one? Hmmmm? Tens of thousands on INNOCENT BIRDS are dying each and every day! Their blood is on your hands!

On Monday, October 7, 2013 7:34:57 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:
Probably 30 amps... Enough to keep itself aligned into the wind and to adjust the blade pitch (X 100's of turbines in each farm). The motors required to manage those tasks are not small! Nor is the power required to run those motors and manage the electronics required to operate the systems. If you ever stand near one while they are stopped and trying to re-"spin" you learn that they are working fairly hard, constantly adjusting the blade heading and blade angle. Even while running in a strong wind, the turbine makes many corrections each minute in blade pitch and probably in turbine drag. All requiring significant power.



Also, the turbine only engages and produce net power once a certain amount of blade speed (net power) is achieved. This speed is higher than most realize. So, even all the alignment and blade changes at low speed are also from power being sucked off the grid. In other words, at low speed the blade is just free wheeling with no power being produced.



We have a huge "windfarm" to the NE of Ionia near Alma Michigan. We fly over it often. Probably 150 - 200 generators. Personally, I refer to this region as the field of death" or the "bird scrambler farm"! The ground around them is literally littered with dead birds. I would fear greatly for the soaring birds in the Mifflin habitat. Were is the EPA on this one? Hmmm? Sure, its a big problem when you endanger the spotted owl (in any capitalist endeavor)...but when hundreds of hawks and other birds are ensured of a brutal inhumane death every month per wind turbine blade strikes its overlooked because its a liberal project.



Enjoy the death of birds at the hand of green energy liberals below:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwVz5hdAMGU



http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...cifixes/page/2



http://now.msn.com/bird-hits-wind-tu...lled-instantly



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...twitchers.html



https://www.google.com/search?q=bird...ih=62 9&dpr=2



The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one? Hmmmm? Tens of thousands on INNOCENT BIRDS are dying each and every day! Their blood is on your hands!

Sean,

the real horror is the young birds: the "children". doesn't anyone care about the children?

Brad

LOL! In all seriousness, the hypocrisy is stunning.

Unfortunately, I fear that the soaring community will be brushed aside fairly easily in this case. Mifflin is probably the first of many ridge soaring area's that will be destroyed in favor of "green energy."

I am all for smart energy policy but right now they would happily build a windfarm by displacing spotted owls (so coveted by the EPA: http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v4n1/) and the last bald eagle on earth with a broken wing! A few gliders (rich old capitalist pigs) being displaced from soaring in this area would probably be considered additional upside for the planners of this project!

Sean

On Monday, October 7, 2013 12:52:41 PM UTC-4, Brad wrote:
On Monday, October 7, 2013 7:34:57 AM UTC-7, Sean F (F2) wrote:

Probably 30 amps... Enough to keep itself aligned into the wind and to adjust the blade pitch (X 100's of turbines in each farm). The motors required to manage those tasks are not small! Nor is the power required to run those motors and manage the electronics required to operate the systems. If you ever stand near one while they are stopped and trying to re-"spin" you learn that they are working fairly hard, constantly adjusting the blade heading and blade angle. Even while running in a strong wind, the turbine makes many corrections each minute in blade pitch and probably in turbine drag. All requiring significant power.







Also, the turbine only engages and produce net power once a certain amount of blade speed (net power) is achieved. This speed is higher than most realize. So, even all the alignment and blade changes at low speed are also from power being sucked off the grid. In other words, at low speed the blade is just free wheeling with no power being produced.







We have a huge "windfarm" to the NE of Ionia near Alma Michigan. We fly over it often. Probably 150 - 200 generators. Personally, I refer to this region as the field of death" or the "bird scrambler farm"! The ground around them is literally littered with dead birds. I would fear greatly for the soaring birds in the Mifflin habitat. Were is the EPA on this one? Hmmm? Sure, its a big problem when you endanger the spotted owl (in any capitalist endeavor)...but when hundreds of hawks and other birds are ensured of a brutal inhumane death every month per wind turbine blade strikes its overlooked because its a liberal project.







Enjoy the death of birds at the hand of green energy liberals below:







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwVz5hdAMGU







http://singletrackworld.com/forum/to...cifixes/page/2







http://now.msn.com/bird-hits-wind-tu...lled-instantly







http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...twitchers.html







https://www.google.com/search?q=bird...ih=62 9&dpr=2







The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one? Hmmmm? Tens of thousands on INNOCENT BIRDS are dying each and every day! Their blood is on your hands!



Sean,



the real horror is the young birds: the "children". doesn't anyone care about the children?



Brad

Could we make an effort to keep Partisan Bickering off of RAS?

On Monday, October 7, 2013 1:21:34 PM UTC-4, son_of_flubber wrote:
Could we make an effort to keep Partisan Bickering off of RAS?

You started on that path yourself yesterday.

The horror of liberals and their wind turbines are very real for soaring birds. Liberals, where are you on this one?

You are kidding right? I suppose conservatives don't own cars or use electricity.

I am concerned about the soaring birds as they don't know the danger. Perhaps a huge cage should be required around them. Sailplanes will just have to slow down a bit in that area and move out in front. Easy and no big deal with our performance. Everyone will have to do the same in a race so it is just another obstacle on the course. I would not let a windmill stop me from soaring.