Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

How exactly does fingerprinting help? Only if you have two fingerprints
to
_compare_.

What about after some incident, you must agree that fingerprints can be
valuable at this point. Clearly they were used in Madrid, as they used
discovered prints at that house to ID conspirators.


They were not going to the USA, or even entering Spain. They lived there.
Like the 911 culprits. And they had full visas.
jay
Sat Apr 03, 2004





One specimen (the person entering the country), one certified by
an authority that it belongs to that individual. If they match - OK, if
they don't match - fake! But if they only have the one, the authorities
can't tell anything from it. "Hello, here's my fake passports, hello,
here's my thumb". What's the point?

Passports,
DLs, and every other form of ID have been no problem to duplicate for
terrorists.

How about procedures which can identify counterfeit passports? Methods
exist, it would make sense, and there wouldn't be protests against
putting
them in place, as it wouldn't involve storing information about innocent
individuals in government databases.

Regards

Marie Lewis wrote:

They were not going to the USA, or even entering Spain. They lived there.
Like the 911 culprits. And they had full visas.



Actually, better than the 9/11 culprits since some of the Spain conspirators
are/were permanent residents or naturalized citizens, plus a couple of
native Spaniards of the criminal persuasion who supplied them but did
not know what the ultimate goal was.

The 9/11 culprits had visitor visa overstayers as well as some on valid
visas.

I don't know if the news ever made it across the pond but the US has
seen nearly 40 US citizens convicted in terror-related cases including
the "Portland Seven" and the "Buffalo Eight" - 14 out of 15 were born
Americans, native-born like the eight apprehended last week in the UK
and the one in Canada ... Even with electronic monitoring by all of
the wealthy countries, all would have been allowed entry to home.

gld

"Gary L. Dare" wrote:
the "Portland Seven" and the "Buffalo Eight" - 14 out of 15 were born
Americans, native-born like the eight apprehended last week in the UK
and the one in Canada ... Even with electronic monitoring by all of
the wealthy countries, all would have been allowed entry to home.

It was announced that the guy arrested in Canada was allegedly arrested based
solely on some USA NSA intercepts in the middle east that did not involve him.
(i.e. absolutely no evidence).

The real question now is whether the RCMP/CSIS did a proper investigation to
find real evidence or whether he was arrested solely on the demands from the
bush regime.

To me, this is in the same league as the famous "intelligence" that forced
calcellation of AF and BA flights because of 5 year olds having the wrong name.

nobody wrote:

It was announced that the guy arrested in Canada was allegedly arrested based
solely on some USA NSA intercepts in the middle east that did not involve him.
(i.e. absolutely no evidence).



I haven't seen an update on this story on cbc.ca/news or globeandmail.ca
since the weekend.

Sounds like somebody had the same name as a criminal ... I read in the
NYT a year ago
about a Canadian man from Montreal, age 55, barred from a niece's
wedding in the US
because he had the same name as a 29 year old convicted car thief from
Vancouver, BC!
And he had a very common name, Ben Harrison or something like that.

To me, this is in the same league as the famous "intelligence" that forced
calcellation of AF and BA flights because of 5 year olds having the wrong name.



And a Welsh insurance agent, and a naturalized French citizen, elderly
woman,
who owns Chinese restaurants in her adopted country.

On top of that, an Indian CEO who booked a frequent flier seat to retain
his points;
his first and middle name, Abdul Haq, is similar to a Taliban figure who
was part of
a 55 person jail break in Kandahar last autumn.

gld

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:56:26 -0700, "Gary L. Dare"
wrote:

Marie Lewis wrote:

They were not going to the USA, or even entering Spain. They lived there.
Like the 911 culprits. And they had full visas.



Actually, better than the 9/11 culprits since some of the Spain conspirators
are/were permanent residents or naturalized citizens, plus a couple of
native Spaniards of the criminal persuasion who supplied them but did
not know what the ultimate goal was.

The 9/11 culprits had visitor visa overstayers as well as some on valid
visas.

I don't know if the news ever made it across the pond but the US has
seen nearly 40 US citizens convicted in terror-related cases including
the "Portland Seven" and the "Buffalo Eight" - 14 out of 15 were born
Americans, native-born like the eight apprehended last week in the UK
and the one in Canada ... Even with electronic monitoring by all of
the wealthy countries, all would have been allowed entry to home.

gld


Here's a couple of ways the CIA and FBI failed the public.

I don't believe that the CIA and FBI had hardly enough Arab
translators.

All the FBI is concerned with is a quick criminal prosecution. The FBI
should have made an attempt to turn one or more of the Buffalo Eight
in order to gather intelligence on Al Quada.

john wrote:

I don't believe that the CIA and FBI had hardly enough Arab
translators.



You don't have to believe, I've read that in the NYT, Washington Post,
Chicago Tribune, Daily Oregonian and heard it on CNN, FNC, MSNBC.

gld