South African Nationals 2013 - one more day ..... The JS1s are doingquite well.......

At 07:13 22 December 2013, Ian wrote:
On 12/21/2013 10:43 PM, wrote:

The fat lady has warbled .....

Then I think it is a fair time to comment on the handicapping that was
used, particularly as applied to 15m class:

For example on 2013-12-16:

ASW 20 03:24:39 111.5km/h 380.4km 1000
ASW 27 03:05:24 123.1km/h 380.4km 910

The ASW 27 is 12km/h faster than the ASW 20 but it is scored 900 points
less. How fast does the '27 driver have to go before he can get 1000
points too?


Ian


Ian,
In strong conditions an ASW27 is amazingly fast and to be only about 10%
faster than a ASW20 is really not enough, though it looks as if the 20
pilot did do something clever/lucky since he scored top marks

On 23/12/2013 05:52, Peter Stafford Allen wrote:
At 07:13 22 December 2013, Ian wrote:

The ASW 27 is 12km/h faster than the ASW 20 but it is scored 900 points
less. How fast does the '27 driver have to go before he can get 1000
points too?

Ian

Ian,
In strong conditions an ASW27 is amazingly fast and to be only about 10%
faster than a ASW20 is really not enough, though it looks as if the 20
pilot did do something clever/lucky since he scored top marks

So... Does he get a better handicap when conditions aren't 'strong'? Or
does he just have to lose even more badly?

The BGA handicaps the 20 at 100. On that basis your handicap was over
112 and at that point you're the only 15m glider. All the others at
that level (110+) are 18m or wider.

You were robbed, Ian.

The BGA handicaps the 27 at 104. You need to start offering brown
envelopes to the scorer. Flying better won't get you anywhere.

GC

On 12/23/2013 09:57 AM, GC wrote:

You were robbed, Ian.

Just for the record. I don't fly an ASW 27, nor even an ASW 20 and I did
not participate in that competition. If I had been there I would have
been well behind both of the pilots I quoted - irrespective of any
handicap that I might have been given.

I would be very reluctant to make public comment about a competition if
I had been there.

But I read the scores on the 'net and I thought it was a bit tough on
some of the guys.

Ian

On 23/12/2013 20:23, Ian wrote:
On 12/23/2013 09:57 AM, GC wrote:

You were robbed, Ian.

Just for the record. I don't fly an ASW 27, nor even an ASW 20 and I did
not participate in that competition. If I had been there I would have
been well behind both of the pilots I quoted - irrespective of any
handicap that I might have been given.

I would be very reluctant to make public comment about a competition if
I had been there.

But I read the scores on the 'net and I thought it was a bit tough on
some of the guys.

Ian

Ok. Somebody else was robbed.

GC

Does anyone have a link to SA nats rules & handicapping scheme? I've come up dry so far.

T8

At 13:56 23 December 2013, Evan Ludeman wrote:
Does anyone have a link to SA nats rules & handicapping scheme? I've
come
up dry so far.

T8



I did not understand the scoring on the last day of the 18M.
A two hour AAT won by a Nimbus3, but the man in second placed (JS1) was
faster by 2.6 Kph and was only 1 minute 40 seconds over time, whereas the
Nimbus was 3 minutes 52 seconds over time and did 0.5 km more than the JS1,
but I cant see if any penalties was awarded.
Vernon

Le lundi 23 décembre 2013 14:56:49 UTC+1, Evan Ludeman a écrit*:
Does anyone have a link to SA nats rules & handicapping scheme? I've come up dry so far.



T8

http://sssa.org.za/index.php/downloa...forms-and-info

On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 5:50:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:

http://sssa.org.za/index.php/downloa...forms-and-info

Thanks... but when I open the 'handicap' files in (my very old, v3.95) version of See You I get a score sheet from September 28... and no handicap info that I can see. I opened the file in a text editor and I see a lot of code, but again no handicaps.

Just curious to see how others are handling this.

Evan Ludeman / T8

At 13:17 23 December 2013, GC wrote:
On 23/12/2013 20:23, Ian wrote:
On 12/23/2013 09:57 AM, GC wrote:

You were robbed, Ian.

Just for the record. I don't fly an ASW 27, nor even an ASW 20 and I
did
not participate in that competition. If I had been there I would have
been well behind both of the pilots I quoted - irrespective of any
handicap that I might have been given.

I would be very reluctant to make public comment about a competition if
I had been there.

But I read the scores on the 'net and I thought it was a bit tough on
some of the guys.

Ian

Ok. Somebody else was robbed.

GC


I did not understand the scoring on the last day of the 18M.
A two hour AAT won by a Nimbus3, but the man in second placed (JS1) was
faster by 2.6 Kph and was only 1 minute 40 seconds over time, whereas the
Nimbus was 3 minutes 52 seconds over time and did 0.5 km more than the JS1,
but I cant see if any penalties was awarded.

Vernon