Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

In article ,
Phil Richards wrote:

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:27:28 +0200 Oelewapper said...

The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only diplomats and
travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and photographed
when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14 seaports, said
Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security at the
Department of Homeland Security. ...

So presumably the easiest way to get in to the US without these stupid
fingerprint and photograph checks is to say fly in to Canada and cross
over the border by road....

True, but going through Canada is a hell of a lot of trouble, just to
avoid an extra wait to enter the United States directly.

In article ,
"jboy" wrote:

And the American's wonder why US airlines are going broke? This looks like
the final nail in the coffin for UA and AA. When will George ever wake up
and realise he's not John Wayne..

I have no idea. Bush could not be a worse president if he tried. Have
you heard about what the National Park Service is doing to "secure" the
Liberty Bell and Independence Hall in Philadelphia? The National Park
Service's plan is an absolute joke, but than this is the same
administration that thinks we can survive a biological or chemical
attack with duct tape.

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
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"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
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Name one terrorist attack in the UK financed by the USA. Stuff that
happened
200 years ago doesn't count.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't
fund
IRA terrorists, Marie,

I did not say the US givernment had financed the IRA. I may suspect that
iut did, but I have no proof, so I would not write that.

You sure did imply that, Marie. I think it's telling that you snipped out
what you now deny saying: "We have had many, many terrorist attacks in the
UK (many financed by the USA)".

unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about.

Possible.

Only if you're paranoid or hate the US so much that you'll believe any
stupid conspiracy tale as long as it's hateful.

To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you.

Not at all.

Yes, Marie. Your statement is very disengenuous. It's also quite hateful of
you.

What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government)
gave
money to the IRA. Victims of IRA violence should sue in US courts the
morons
who did this. I can only wonder why this hasn't happened.

We are not so litigious as you.

This is hardly litigious. This is about right and wrong. Suing these people
would greatly help the families of the victims and teach the perps a lesson.

I respect your opinion about fingerprinting, Marie. I truly do. As a
life-long member of the Labour Party, I'm sure you won't be voting for
the
Tories. So when UK customs and integration begins fingerprinting inbound
visitors to the UK, who will you vote for?

Probably the Liberal Democrats, possibly the Greens. I would study their
manifestos and decide, as any sensible person should.
The Labour party of today is not the one I joined.

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
...

A very important point seems to be left out of this discussion: America
is
at war with an enemy that has attacked us on our soil.

During wartime,
certain rules are established in order ensure our security as much as
possible. Once the war is over, those rules are lifted.

Don't bet on it.

In any case, you have no chance of winning this "war," Terrorism has
always
existed and always will. If you don't realise that, you are very naive.

Then let's just send a communique to Osama and surrender. Will you be
wearing the burka?

If we didn't have
moslem psychopaths trying to kill as many of our citizens as possible
and
we
were still putting these security measures in place, I would agree that
we
shouldn't be doing so. But that's not the world we live in.

Ah, you are anti Muslim! All is revealed.

Really? I'm not aware of an statements I've made to the effect that I hate
moslems.

I, personally, don't trust "born again" Christians who used to be drunks.

I'm neither a "born again" Christian nor a drunk. But what's very clear is
you are a bitter, hateful person who makes bizarre claims and then runs away
from them when questioned.

"Shawn Hearn" wrote in message
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In article ,
Phil Richards wrote:

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 07:27:28 +0200 Oelewapper said...

The expansion, which will take effect by Sept. 30, means only
diplomats and
travelers from Mexico and Canada will not be fingerprinted and
photographed
when they enter the United States through 115 airports and 14
seaports, said
Asa Hutchinson, undersecretary for border and transportation security
at the
Department of Homeland Security. ...

So presumably the easiest way to get in to the US without these stupid
fingerprint and photograph checks is to say fly in to Canada and cross
over the border by road....

True, but going through Canada is a hell of a lot of trouble, just to
avoid an extra wait to enter the United States directly.

It really is not a question of the extra wait, for us at least.
Anyway, Canada suddenly seems much more attractive than the USA.

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
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"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
...
Name one terrorist attack in the UK financed by the USA. Stuff that
happened
200 years ago doesn't count.

I know what you are referring to, of course. The US government didn't
fund
IRA terrorists, Marie,

I did not say the US givernment had financed the IRA. I may suspect
that
iut did, but I have no proof, so I would not write that.

You sure did imply that, Marie. I think it's telling that you snipped out
what you now deny saying: "We have had many, many terrorist attacks in the
UK (many financed by the USA)".


Read thyat again. Where is the word "government" mentioned?

unless Ted Kennedy had a secret slush fund that we
don't know about.

Possible.

Only if you're paranoid or hate the US so much that you'll believe any
stupid conspiracy tale as long as it's hateful.

No: all governements have a secret slush fund. You are naive if you believe
otherwise.

To say the USA "financed" the IRA is therefore very
disengenuous of you.

Not at all.

Yes, Marie. Your statement is very disengenuous. It's also quite hateful
of
you.


Not at all: we used to love visiting the USA.


What happened in the 1970s and 1980s was a group of
private stoopid Irish-American citizens (not the American government)
gave
money to the IRA. Victims of IRA violence should sue in US courts the
morons
who did this. I can only wonder why this hasn't happened.

We are not so litigious as you.

This is hardly litigious. This is about right and wrong. Suing these
people
would greatly help the families of the victims and teach the perps a
lesson.

I respect your opinion about fingerprinting, Marie. I truly do. As a
life-long member of the Labour Party, I'm sure you won't be voting for
the
Tories. So when UK customs and integration begins fingerprinting
inbound
visitors to the UK, who will you vote for?

Probably the Liberal Democrats, possibly the Greens. I would study
their
manifestos and decide, as any sensible person should.
The Labour party of today is not the one I joined.


No reply to this I see.

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
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I think anyone coming from Europe or the rest of the world,
who truly feels this represents "big brother" or "police
state America" best just stay home.

No, we can visit all the other better places.

I don't have much
sympathy for them.


Oh, how terrible!! We are *really* upset not to have your sympathy. Not.

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
...
"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Quantum Foam Guy" wrote in message
...

A very important point seems to be left out of this discussion:
America
is
at war with an enemy that has attacked us on our soil.

During wartime,
certain rules are established in order ensure our security as much as
possible. Once the war is over, those rules are lifted.

Don't bet on it.

In any case, you have no chance of winning this "war," Terrorism has
always
existed and always will. If you don't realise that, you are very naive.

Then let's just send a communique to Osama and surrender. Will you be
wearing the burka?

Reductio ad absurdum, yet again. The easy "argument" used by so many of the
less gifted in logic.

If we didn't have
moslem psychopaths trying to kill as many of our citizens as possible
and
we
were still putting these security measures in place, I would agree
that
we
shouldn't be doing so. But that's not the world we live in.

Ah, you are anti Muslim! All is revealed.

Really? I'm not aware of an statements I've made to the effect that I hate
moslems.

I, personally, don't trust "born again" Christians who used to be
drunks.

I'm neither a "born again" Christian nor a drunk. But what's very clear is
you are a bitter, hateful person who makes bizarre claims and then runs
away
from them when questioned.

And what I think of you would be inappropriate in a public forum.

Sjoerd wrote:

"Stephen Harding" schreef in bericht

I think anyone coming from Europe or the rest of the world,
who truly feels this represents "big brother" or "police
state America" best just stay home. I don't have much
sympathy for them.

Fine, we agree then and I for sure will stay home. I don't trust the US
government and believe they might abuse my fingerprints.

One less anti-American Euro in line at the airport
is fine with me.

A toast to staying home!


SMH

"Stephen Harding" schreef in bericht
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Sjoerd wrote:

"Stephen Harding" schreef in bericht

I think anyone coming from Europe or the rest of the world,
who truly feels this represents "big brother" or "police
state America" best just stay home. I don't have much
sympathy for them.

Fine, we agree then and I for sure will stay home. I don't trust the US
government and believe they might abuse my fingerprints.

One less anti-American Euro in line at the airport
is fine with me.

I am not an anti-American. I am an anti-American-current-government. And I
won't stay home, there are 100's of beautiful countries in the world to
discover where they won't fingerprint me. And should I miss typical American
stuff, I can always visit Canada. :-)

Sjoerd