Air America breaking news: "USA to fingerprint ALL visitors !!!"

"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
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"Alan Pollock" wrote in message
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My take is simply to not take the stupid, blanket-hatred posts too
seriously.
Read the reasonable ones and completely ignore the Marie Lewis's you come
across.

You make no sense at all.


Typical Leftwing Liberal. So far you've ignored every message and attacked
every messenger. Unca Stalin would be proud. KM
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Stephen Harding wrote:
I've had a pistol permit for years, and to get one, I've
undergone background checks from local, state police and
FBI.

I am automatically considered such a potential danger to
society because of my interest in "plinking" with a hand
gun,

Yet to filter potential terrorists from entry to the country
via a 15 second on average, scan of finger prints is thought
to represent a serious breach of civil liberty.

Your handgun serves only one purpose: to kill or seriously injur a human. Same
with machine guns. If you own such a deadly weapon for self defense, the fact
remains that if you must use the gun, it will be to either kill or severely
injur the person you believe is going to attack you. It is normal that a
government woudl want to verify your motives for the gun and also test your
ability to judge whether pulling the trigger is necessary or not.

When a tourist enters the country, it isn't the fingerprints that are
important, it is what is in his luggage. Unless, of course, the deadly weapons
he will use to cause harm to your country are freely available in your country.

Please note that there have been plenty of terrorists in the USA, especially
the ones who go in a shooting rampage in schools etc. All done with "made in
the USA" all over (the person, the victims and the weapon).


The thing is that no matter how strick you become at airports, terrorists will
always find a way around. You cannot stop a determined terrorist. And there
are many terrorists you don't know about (like the guy who blew up the
Oklahoma city building).

The real "war on terrorism" is stopping whatever a countrie does that
irritates people so much that they take to terror to fight back.
Unformtunatly, for short term politicians, the results of such a policy don't
come soon enough. But it is the only way to really stop it.

Alan Pollock wrote:

As for the general tone of Anti-Americanism (which most will swear up and down
isn't the case), don't forget that it's a tender time for Euros at the moment.
If the US can be of help in their effort to combine, why not? Let them bitch
and moan. They're good at it. Been doing it for centuries against each other,
*and* other social classes within their own countries.

And the US has not had its battles in North America. You went to war with a
number of native Indian tribes, against Mexico, tried to invade Canada a few
times, lost more men in a civil war than in all other military actions combines.
I am sure you are aware of the old saying about the pot calling the kettle black.

Stephen Harding wrote:
Why are you not concerned with government use of your passport
information as it is already defined?

Because the USA wants information of non-citizens. Those non-citizens have no
way to control how the information is used or misused by the foreign
government after they have left the country.

The bottom line is this is an internal national policy decision
undertaken by a democratic form of government with a lot of
checks and balances built into the system to prevent abuse,

That is the problem. The USA lacks a national data privacy law with sufficient
teeth to make it worthwile. This is why Europe, Canada and other countries are
having serious problems with the USA's requests. And the USA doesn't want to
have such strick laws because it needs to pass that information around freely
in order to do what it wants to do with it. (for instance, match your credit
card transactions with your fingerprint/identification). Remember that the
Bush Regime wants a "total information awareness" system. They are not there
yet, but that is what they want.

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 21:42:57 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

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"Sjoerd" wrote:

You claimed that US customs ( I believe you mean immigration) is faster than
"99% of the countries in the world". I have been to 75 countries and the US
is amongst the 10 countries with the longest/slowest lines for immigration
and customs.

Is this because the process for each person is long, or because of the
relative number of people coming in at a time?

When you're flying in on a hundred-seat airliner and there's four guys
working the desk, you're going to get through faster than if you're on
one of four 747-400s landing in the same hour...

Yet There are many airports in the world who handle considerably more
international arrivals than US airports, even the busiest US airport
doesn't approach Heathrow for example.

Jim.

In nobody wrote:

Your handgun serves only one purpose: to kill or seriously injur a human.

Really? Do tell.

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In article , nobody
wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:
And statements like "Watch lists used to screen visa applicants, refugee
claimants and travelers seeking to enter Canada are in disarray because
of inaccuracies and shoddy updating, Fraser found" do not exactly
reinforce your views that Canada is doing a bang-up job.

Her role is to find flaws.

....and she found some pretty huge ones, no matter how you try to
minimize it.

No system is perfect. But you can bet that this
items are being worked on.

Funny, a couple of posts back, you assured us that the Canadian system
wasn't in need of such work...

I bet that if she were to audit the US systems, it would look far
worse and with far worse problems (for instance, private jetblue data
making it to some conference presentation by a consulting firm).

So one error (someone using information they collected in an incorrect
manner) is worse than systemic problems (the various ones shown by a
Canadian audit, that showed terrorists have a lot of gaps they could
exploit, like terrible and incomplete records on stolen Canadian
passports)?

And, once again, the question here isn't the theoretical flaws in the US
system - it's that you were claiming that the Canadian security system
was so good no terrorists could get through (which the Canadian audit
showed to be *very* false).

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"Marie Lewis" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Marie Lewis" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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And the funny thing is, the people who are complaining about the US
wanting photos and fingerprints to come in are often from countries
that
already insist on that for their own citizens (like Brazil).

No they are not! They are from Europe and from your "ally" the UK,
where
fingerprints denote one's being a suspected criminal.

...or defending your home from violent criminals gets you put in jail...

You have now truly revealed your weakness.

Yeah, a weakness for the right to not have my home broken into by
criminals. Funny, that. Property rights have that effect.

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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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Typical Leftwing Liberal.

And happy to be so.

In article ,
"Marie Lewis" wrote:

"Chad Irby" wrote in message
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Still waiting for the high speed trains of USA...

The distances are too long. Air travel is cheaper for that sort of
range,

And pollutes the planet in the usual US way.

Actually, while a lot of people try to claim that, very few trains are
that efficient. Most UK trains, for example, are *more* polluting, when
you take electrical generation and coal use into account.

All most trains do is *move* the pollution to places outside of the
cities.

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