Sorting out Experimental Airworthiness Certification and LSA designation

I would not care about changing an experimental to LSA. AFAIK it would gain you nothing. If the glider qualifies within the speed limitations of an LSA, a glider rated LSA pilot can fly it. An aircraft does not have to be registered as LSA for an LSA rated pilot to fly it.

Changing the program letter for a new location and region of flying is a standard practice for the "newer" program letters. It may require a reissue of the airworthy cert, I would keep it experimental for exhibition and racing.

I'm not sure if what is listed on the TCDS may restrict how it is certified, ruling out LSA.
BT

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:09:55 PM UTC-4, Bill T wrote:
I would not care about changing an experimental to LSA. AFAIK it would gain you nothing. If the glider qualifies within the speed limitations of an LSA, a glider rated LSA pilot can fly it. An aircraft does not have to be registered as LSA for an LSA rated pilot to fly it.

That helps.

Have any glider manufacturers brought their products into the USA as LSA?
The LSA lobby seems to be large, strong and effective at moderating regulations.

And though it is traditional and many have gotten used to it, Experimental Racing/Exhibition owners seem to be a small and marginalized group, that is at the mercy of local FSDO interpretations.

It seems that LSA regulations are friendly, and getting friendlier, whereas Experimental regulations seem somewhat arbitrary and tending to get less friendly over time.

I realize that the Experimental regs encompass all sorts of marginal truly experimental aircraft and thus the FAA oversight functions are justified. But putting my 'type-certified-in-Europe-conservative-glider' in the experimental bucket seems an expedient hack.

Now that LSA is emerging, I wonder if I'd should try to get into that bucket instead. The holder of the type certificate is still a viable business.

Aircraft (gliders) imported to the US under a TCDS. For a foreign manufacturer to import with a "standard" certificate would have to go through a lot more proce$$es and expen$e. The FAA orders related to airworthy certs recognize the factory built glider under the "experimental for exhibition and racing".

Not many current manufacture gliders meet LSA. Their VNE is to high.
BT

On Friday, April 18, 2014 12:16:16 AM UTC-4, Bill T wrote:

Not many current manufacture gliders meet LSA. Their VNE is to high.

It would likely be a trainer or something like the PW-5.

Though it is not the absolute final word, a DAR told me today that it currently impossible to convert an Experimental Glider Racing/Exhibition air-worthiness to E-LSA (Experimental LSA).

I was interested in doing this because an owner can obtain a 'repairman' rating (after taking a 16 hour course) for an E-LSA (even if it was not home-built). Repairman seems to be a good match to what I would like to be able to do legally with my glider without supervision.

On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:02:04 AM UTC-6, son_of_flubber wrote:
Though it is not the absolute final word, a DAR told me today that it currently impossible to convert an Experimental Glider Racing/Exhibition air-worthiness to E-LSA (Experimental LSA).



I was interested in doing this because an owner can obtain a 'repairman' rating (after taking a 16 hour course) for an E-LSA (even if it was not home-built). Repairman seems to be a good match to what I would like to be able to do legally with my glider without supervision.

If you think of the next potential owner and resale value, you might think again.

On Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:15:53 PM UTC-4, Frank Whiteley wrote:

If you think of the next potential owner and resale value, you might think again.

That had occurred to me. The cheap way to get into an E-LSA is to buy a used low hours weight shift soarable trike. They do not hold their value and they are a way to on a calm day with marginal lift.

I've owned one Standard airworthiness category glider and 5 Experimental. I
would not want other than Experimental simply for the lower maintenance
requirements. I don't mean shoddy maintenance - I simply mean that I can do
more and an A&P can complete the annual condition inspection. The program
letter is a bothersome requirement but trivial to execute. I keep a copy on
my computer and simply update it annually and email it to the FSDO. The
first time I had to do this, I called and spoke to a real person. He gave
me his email address and said to send the letter directly to him. He never
responds unless I ping him for confirmation, but I copy myself as proof that
it was sent. The wording says, in addition to planned events, that I can
fly anywhere while practicing for those events or for the OLC.


"Bill T" wrote in message
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I would not care about changing an experimental to LSA. AFAIK it would gain
you nothing. If the glider qualifies within the speed limitations of an LSA,
a glider rated LSA pilot can fly it. An aircraft does not have to be
registered as LSA for an LSA rated pilot to fly it.

Changing the program letter for a new location and region of flying is a
standard practice for the "newer" program letters. It may require a reissue
of the airworthy cert, I would keep it experimental for exhibition and
racing.

I'm not sure if what is listed on the TCDS may restrict how it is certified,
ruling out LSA.
BT