GAO Report: GA Security Threat

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

. . . I think the world was a better place when the most powerful nation
on
earth adhered to certain rules that had become standard between
civilized nations.

I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he
isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news
watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led
to believe. There are no WMD, period. . .

Since this is an inappropriate forum for this topic - and since I don't
approve of crossposting, I will let this be my last word in this thread.

Iraq under Saddam was not abiding by international law. In the terms of
their surrender in the Gulf War, they agreed to disarm and to prove they had
done so. Their refusal to comply with those terms resulted in the resumption
of hostilities to force compliance. The existance or non-existance of WMD
has no bearing on the situation.

You have the floor.......

Rich S.

Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Saddam shot at our aircraft almost every day when they flew in the
Iraq 'no fly' zone imposed after he was kicked out of Kuait. If
someone keeps shooting at you what do you do ??? turn the other cheek
and pass air?

It was well document by both Iraq and the UN that he had WMD in the
years prior to the current war. He would not let the UN confirm he had
destroyed them so one must conclude he still had some/all of them. He
had used some in country (Kurds) and also in the War with Iran so
every one knew he had.

He may have been shooting his mouth off about quanity but what he was
threatening his neighbors with warrented a change of govenment.

I have gotten a number of reports from the 'troops' through my
military channels and via military friends. Next one I get may try to
cut and paste to bring up on thread for those who live by the bar and
5 o'clock follies.

Big John


On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:36:08 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...

. . . I think the world was a better place when the most powerful nation
on
earth adhered to certain rules that had become standard between
civilized nations.

I can't see much of a difference for the world with Saddam missing (he
isn't, really, by the way). I am now absolutely certain - as most news
watchers - that Saddam didn't pose nearly the threat that some were led
to believe. There are no WMD, period. . .

Since this is an inappropriate forum for this topic - and since I don't
approve of crossposting, I will let this be my last word in this thread.

Iraq under Saddam was not abiding by international law. In the terms of
their surrender in the Gulf War, they agreed to disarm and to prove they had
done so. Their refusal to comply with those terms resulted in the resumption
of hostilities to force compliance. The existance or non-existance of WMD
has no bearing on the situation.

You have the floor.......

Rich S.

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Big John...........

Better read the post again, pal - and this time pay special attention to the
attribution () marks. You are attributing Borchert's opinions to me.

NOT!

Rich S.

Rich

My applogies. Still on one eye after cataract surgey and no relief in
sight (now that's a bummer G).

On my posting (for all on thread to read). We (the world) knows he had
them (he used them). No one knows if he destroyed. Let those on the
soap box prove otherwise.

Again, sorry for the wrong address.

Big John


On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:17:44 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Big John...........

Better read the post again, pal - and this time pay special attention to the
attribution () marks. You are attributing Borchert's opinions to me.

NOT!

Rich S.

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Rich

My applogies. Still on one eye after cataract surgey and no relief in
sight (now that's a bummer G).

On my posting (for all on thread to read). We (the world) knows he had
them (he used them). No one knows if he destroyed. Let those on the
soap box prove otherwise.

Again, sorry for the wrong address.

No problem, BJ.

Look on the bright side - you got to go trick or treat as a Pirate!

BTW, an Emeraude buddy of mine probably served with you at one time or
another. Lt. Col. "Russ" Russell, USAF (ret) of Ft. Walton Beach, FL. P-51's
in ETO & Korea, P-80's in Korea, C-140's in 'Nam.

Rich S.

Rich

Russell don't strike a bell with me?

Can't remember that name in 51's or 80's. Never flew the 140.

Is he retired at Tyndall (FWB) or did he serve there (or both)?. We
used to go there every year to fire and re qualify.

Had to restrict aircrew from eating oysters until after they had
qualified because they stuffed and got sick (runs) and couldn't fly.
(

Oysters were great though.

Have a nice day.

Big John


On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:11:45 -0800, "Rich S."
wrote:

"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
Rich

My applogies. Still on one eye after cataract surgey and no relief in
sight (now that's a bummer G).

On my posting (for all on thread to read). We (the world) knows he had
them (he used them). No one knows if he destroyed. Let those on the
soap box prove otherwise.

Again, sorry for the wrong address.

No problem, BJ.

Look on the bright side - you got to go trick or treat as a Pirate!

BTW, an Emeraude buddy of mine probably served with you at one time or
another. Lt. Col. "Russ" Russell, USAF (ret) of Ft. Walton Beach, FL. P-51's
in ETO & Korea, P-80's in Korea, C-140's in 'Nam.

Rich S.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:05:44 -0600, Big John
wrote:

Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Saddam shot at our aircraft almost every day when they flew in the
Iraq 'no fly' zone imposed after he was kicked out of Kuait. If
someone keeps shooting at you what do you do ??? turn the other cheek
and pass air?

It was well document by both Iraq and the UN that he had WMD in the
years prior to the current war. He would not let the UN confirm he had
destroyed them so one must conclude he still had some/all of them. He
had used some in country (Kurds) and also in the War with Iran so
every one knew he had.

There were stories in the news as well as several programs that showed
the results of his use of WMD in the north on the ethnic groups who
oppose him.


He may have been shooting his mouth off about quanity but what he was
threatening his neighbors with warrented a change of govenment.

And the Iranians lost how many troops along the border? I don't
remember the number it was a lot.

I have gotten a number of reports from the 'troops' through my
military channels and via military friends. Next one I get may try to
cut and paste to bring up on thread for those who live by the bar and
5 o'clock follies.

Then there were the tremendous casualties Iran suffered along the
border and their deaths appeared to be much like the ones in the
north.

It's as simple as "He had 'em, he used 'em, and now we can't find
them."

For those who think finding WMD should be easy, they should note the
Migs that were unearthed near the one air base.

It should be noted, we did not find those planes. The only reason we
became aware of them was the shifting sands of the desert which
uncovered the tail fins.

A few should stop and ask themselves, "If we can't find several of the
largest fighter planes in the world buried within a couple miles of
the air bases, how in the world are we going to find items that are
far easier to hide?"

It's "my understanding", although Iraq has oil fields they are small
potatoes compared to the rest of the region. They are not a large oil
producing nation.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Big John

Roger Halstead wrote:

A few should stop and ask themselves, "If we can't find several of the
largest fighter planes in the world buried within a couple miles of
the air bases, how in the world are we going to find items that are
far easier to hide?"

Uhh, were we or the UN ever actively *searching* for MIGs?

Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

Roger

One correction

Iraq has the 2nd or 3rd largest oil fields found to date in the world.

If he had kept Kuwait. he would have been #2 just behind Saudi.

Big John


On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 23:04:55 GMT, Roger Halstead
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:05:44 -0600, Big John
wrote:

Rich

Get off the soap box with that troll.

Saddam shot at our aircraft almost every day when they flew in the
Iraq 'no fly' zone imposed after he was kicked out of Kuait. If
someone keeps shooting at you what do you do ??? turn the other cheek
and pass air?

It was well document by both Iraq and the UN that he had WMD in the
years prior to the current war. He would not let the UN confirm he had
destroyed them so one must conclude he still had some/all of them. He
had used some in country (Kurds) and also in the War with Iran so
every one knew he had.

There were stories in the news as well as several programs that showed
the results of his use of WMD in the north on the ethnic groups who
oppose him.


He may have been shooting his mouth off about quanity but what he was
threatening his neighbors with warrented a change of govenment.

And the Iranians lost how many troops along the border? I don't
remember the number it was a lot.

I have gotten a number of reports from the 'troops' through my
military channels and via military friends. Next one I get may try to
cut and paste to bring up on thread for those who live by the bar and
5 o'clock follies.

Then there were the tremendous casualties Iran suffered along the
border and their deaths appeared to be much like the ones in the
north.

It's as simple as "He had 'em, he used 'em, and now we can't find
them."

For those who think finding WMD should be easy, they should note the
Migs that were unearthed near the one air base.

It should be noted, we did not find those planes. The only reason we
became aware of them was the shifting sands of the desert which
uncovered the tail fins.

A few should stop and ask themselves, "If we can't find several of the
largest fighter planes in the world buried within a couple miles of
the air bases, how in the world are we going to find items that are
far easier to hide?"

It's "my understanding", although Iraq has oil fields they are small
potatoes compared to the rest of the region. They are not a large oil
producing nation.

You'll have to fix the return add due to dumb virus checkers, not spam
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Big John

"Rich S." wrote in message ...


Iraq under Saddam was not abiding by international law. In the terms of
their surrender in the Gulf War, they agreed to disarm and to prove they had
done so. Their refusal to comply with those terms resulted in the resumption
of hostilities to force compliance. The existance or non-existance of WMD
has no bearing on the situation.


Iraq under US control has destroyed no WMDs nor shown proof that any
were destroyed.

Are we in violation of those UN sanctions now?

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FF